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Post by DK on Aug 27, 2023 1:28:08 GMT
And just for the benefit of our readers, here is the image from vol.3 of the RPSNZ handbook - page 66. Image #23 is the one in question. 23 was superceded by 24 which went on to develop the breaks as seen in 24a. Used at Selwyn - later known as Dunsandel.  Dave |
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Post by gc on Aug 27, 2023 4:55:27 GMT
Thanks for posting the images Dave Here is another cover I purchased. It is a proving cover of Ohinitahi ( Governor's Bay ). Note the spelling now seems to be accepted as OHINETAHI It appears the Chief Postmaster, Christchurch encouraged postmasters to produce their own obliterators. The Ohinitahi Postmaster made his own "dumb" obliterator. Initially ( prior to December 1867 ) the bars formed a rectangle, however, in the The Postage Stamps of New Zealand, Volume XII it was noted covers dated May 1868 to March 1870 the bars were found tapered with curved ends. This cover was posted 4 June 1870, which proves the obliterator was used past March 1870     |
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Post by DK on Aug 27, 2023 23:58:30 GMT
That is a lovely strike of OHINITAHI on your cover Grant.
It looks too new still to have not been used past 1870! I wonder if it got lost, or broken?
Lovely strike :-) I do not have one in my collection as far as I recall.
Dave
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Post by DK on Aug 29, 2023 22:11:58 GMT
In the latest Auckland City Stamps Public Auction I was fortunate enough to win 9 lots. Included in that nine lots were 5 covers, 4 bearing Chalons. I didn't possess a multi franked cover previously, but now I do! This cover below is an Inter Provincial rated cover bearing a 1d & a 2d perforated Davies Chalon - SG111 & SG114.  During the 1860's the Inland Postage rates were altered : 1d - for delivery from the same office 2d - for delivery within the same Province 3d - for delivery between Provinces The cover above was posted at Napier, in Hawkes Bay, on SE 25 1868 and arrived at Wellington on OC 5 1868. Therefore it took 10 days - probably via boat. Dave |
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Post by DK on Aug 29, 2023 22:29:53 GMT
I also managed to win these 3, all addressed to Duncan Whyte, Watchmaker, Oban, Scotland. Note that the last cover has payment in stamps of 10d, not 6d. 6d was the standard postage rate to the UK in that time period. However, there was a route available to the sender at that time via Marseilles, France - via Suez. The Marseilles route shortened the travel time by approx. 7-10 days or so, but cost an additional 4d. Despite the cover below not stating 'via Marseilles' on it I can only presume that it went that way as I cannot think of any other reason for the additional 4d.  Dave |
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Post by DK on Aug 31, 2023 3:39:23 GMT
Thoughts the readers may like these. Very late use Chalon covers First one is Napier to London sent 25 August 1875, almost 20 months after the last official release date.  The second is locally posted in Christchurch on 26 September 1910, the last recorded cover posted using a Chalon before they were demonetized in 1913  I was cleaning up my stamp room (a little) and was going thru' some old Auction Catalogs I have lying around. I found one from William Carson from 5 September 2006. As per Grants post from July 9th, 2023 re. late use Chalons, there is an auction lot for sale in it which is of a late use Chalon: Lot 41  Dave |
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Post by gc on Aug 31, 2023 6:07:57 GMT
I also managed to win these 3, all addressed to Duncan Whyte, Watchmaker, Oban, Scotland. Note that the last cover has payment in stamps of 10d, not 6d. 6d was the standard postage rate to the UK in that time period. However, there was a route available to the sender at that time via Marseilles, France - via Suez. The Marseilles route shortened the travel time by approx. 7-10 days or so, but cost an additional 4d. Despite the cover below not stating 'via Marseilles' on it I can only presume that it went that way as I cannot think of any other reason for the additional 4d. Dave Nice items Dave, well purchased. Does the 10d rate cover have any markings / dates on the back. Cheers Grant |
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Post by DK on Aug 31, 2023 6:55:37 GMT
Yes it does. The back is as per below :  Dunedin JN 17 65 Oban AU 16 1865 The 10d rate via Marseilles was introduced on 12 September 1863. The new fourpenny value not introduced until 1 June 1865. I had a look under the stamps via a strong light to see if any manuscript evidence of a 'via Marseilles' underneath the stamps (as the stamps, or labels as such are placed against regulations on the top left hand side instead of the right side). There is no sign of any manuscript noted. Dave |
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Post by DK on Sept 15, 2023 1:16:45 GMT
Here is an oddity: 1872-73 2d vermillion p12½, SG134 with 4 ink blobs on her face and up to the top of the stamp!  Could it have been 'Red Nose' day back then! Or, had she just taken a puff on her cigarette and was blowing smoke rings while waiting for the artist to continue with her portrait?
Unusual to say the least ..... Dave |
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Post by DK on Sept 18, 2023 23:30:17 GMT
Here is a complete sheet of the 2d plate2 Hausberg reprint - produced for a book in 1906 that never eventuated. Unfortunately it does have a 25mm tear to the base of the sheet. Still, not so many of these around now. To be framed and hung in the office.  Another tick off the bucket list :-) Dave |
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Post by gc on Sept 20, 2023 7:36:09 GMT
Great to have Dave, well done
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Post by DK on Oct 4, 2023 2:23:12 GMT
I got this interesting 'Chalon' in today: It has a boxed '7' as you can see. '7' is of Castlepoint.  Reading vol.3 of the RPSNZ handbooks tells us this :   Looking thru' my Chalon books I find that I have these ones of the above lot :  Only 5 out of 14 (no 13!) so a few to look out for :-) Dave |
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Post by nbstamper on Oct 4, 2023 4:18:37 GMT
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Post by DK on Oct 4, 2023 5:26:34 GMT
Very nice nbstamperIs it SG43 or SG99 ? Large star or NZ wmk? Well done! Dave |
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Post by DK on Oct 13, 2023 19:58:55 GMT
Here is a manuscript on an SG136 6d pale blue  This is Otaria, Invercargill Postal District - name changed to Otaraia in 1875. A.R Marshall mentions this about the Otaraia manuscript: Opened 15 September 1871 - to Otaraia q.v 1 Oct. 1875 - Manuscript 'Otaria' Funnily enough Wooders doesnt mention Otaria - just Otaraia! He lists it in his Postmarks book as : Otaraia
Invercargill Postal District Opened 1/10/1875 Closed 6/8/1926 He gives no value rating for it - ?  Dave |
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Post by DK on Oct 13, 2023 20:04:43 GMT
Also came with the above Otaria manuscript was another one! These both came in a small lot of mixed condition oldies - stuck down to an old album page (they were no match for boiling water) ! Not a complete m/s but matches the one above closely in style written:  Dave |
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Post by gc on Oct 14, 2023 3:45:49 GMT
Very very nice Dave and rare to boot !!
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Post by DK on Oct 15, 2023 1:45:26 GMT
Thanks Grant :-) Grant, I have here a book by Tony Thackery entitled 'New Zealand First Day & Early Use Covers & Stamps 1855 - 2003'. It was published by the RPSNZ in 2004. Are you aware whether the RPSNZ or Tony in particular have put out an updated version of this book? I ask as I have 2 'Chalons', at least, with dates earlier than some he has listed in this book, from 2004. One is for an SG98 - 2d blue imperf. with 'NZ' wmk. Then there is this one I recently acquired: SG119 4d Rose
Tony has this one, in the above book, as issued on 01-06-65 and an earliest recorded date seen as 24-7-65 for the Deep Rose & no date recorded for the Rose. The one I show below is dated JY 18 65.  Are you aware either of a newer version of the above book or have any record of earliest date of use of SG119? Dave |
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Post by gc on Oct 15, 2023 2:28:58 GMT
Hi Dave No I don't know if there is an updated version, and dare I say I don't actually have a copy of the on you have either. Have you seen any other dates with "UY" used for July ? Great find ( and detective work ) if this is July 18th Cheers Grant Here is one I brought recently.   |
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Post by DK on Oct 15, 2023 2:37:28 GMT
That is a nice item in 2 ways Grant :
1) It is fiscal cancellation dated 2/1/67 - 1 day after authorisation to use the Chalon for fiscal purposes - from 1/1/67 - from the 1866 Stamp Duties act.
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2) a nice pre-printing crease of the paper - exploded out.
I have only one natural paper crease on an NZ Chalon - on an SG14.
I have one making its way to NZ as we speak funnily enough - on an SG108.
I will show both once the one in the mail arrives from the UK.
Dave
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Post by DK on Oct 15, 2023 2:40:14 GMT
And in reply to your question above :
Quote: "Have you seen any other dates with "UY" used for July ?"
No I haven't, why do you ask that? Do you think my 4d Rose above is UY and not JY ?
I see the postmark as being the Dunedin/OTAGO duplex with the 'A' of AGO (from OTAGO) over the JY part of the date cancellation.
Dave
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Post by gc on Oct 15, 2023 3:35:58 GMT
Hi Dave
It is so hard tell whether it is a "U" or a "J". Mu guess is a "U".
Either way have you seen a "UY" or a "JY" ?
Could it be August "AU" ?
And could the large letter be an "O" from OTAGO
Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Oct 15, 2023 4:16:19 GMT
It is so hard tell whether it is a "U" or a "J". Mu guess is a "U". Either way have you seen a "UY" or a "JY" ? No I haven't seen a 'UY'. July is either JY or JUL in the 'Chalon' period Grant. Could it be August "AU" ? No. It is definitely JY. Click on the above picture that I showed earlier (3 versions of the 4d on it using Retroreveal) It should show the images in full size as scanned for you. And could the large letter be an "O" from OTAGO Yes. On the obliterator part of the duplex there is the end letters of the word ' OTAGO' so there is a large 'O' on there, yes. Dave |
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Post by DK on Oct 18, 2023 1:24:29 GMT
Here is a new one to me. SG114 2d Blue with ' PF.NCE' instead of ' PENCE'  Grant, have you seen this? Does it have a position on the sheet that you know of? Appreciate any feedback :-) Dave |
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Post by gc on Oct 19, 2023 7:20:56 GMT
Hi Dave
Nice flaw. I can't seem to plate it's position but will keep looking through my selection to find anything similar.
Possibly very damp paper during printing.
A mystery, still a nice mystery.
Grant
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Post by DK on Oct 27, 2023 0:03:57 GMT
I have only one natural paper crease on an NZ Chalon - on an SG14. I have one making its way to NZ as we speak funnily enough - on an SG108. I will show both once the one in the mail arrives from the UK. Well, the SG108 with the natural paper crease arrived this morning (3 weeks from the UK to NZ). Here it is alongside the SG12 I have:  Dave |
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Post by gc on Oct 30, 2023 6:25:45 GMT
Great examples Dave
I especially like the SG12. Is that a "double" pre printing paper fold ?
Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Oct 30, 2023 18:26:15 GMT
Yes. There is a 2nd, smaller crease to the lower left of the main crease. I particularly like the postmark on this stamp. It just frames her face and leaves the majority of the stamp clear.  Dave |
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Post by DK on Dec 5, 2023 3:24:05 GMT
Here is an interesting strip of the 1/- up on eBay currently - SG125 :   Note the last stamp, how narrow it is! These would have been 'line perforated' at this time, the comb perforator having had its vertical pins removed back in 1866 I believe. These examples clearly dated MR 20 73. Dave |
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Post by DK on Dec 7, 2023 2:52:23 GMT
Exciting news - Another new Chalon just received in with a PB13 obliterator: SG43 6d red-brown  and here it is alongside my other PB13 - notice how different they look to each other!  and here are two other PB13's I have images for in stock :   So what we know so far - Perkins Bacon of London sent to New Zealand in 1854, on board the 'Simlah' a printing press, ink, reams of 'large star' paper, glue (wash) and 36 brass and wooden obliterators along with the initial supply of stamps for the new Colony. The locals were to produce their own stamps from thence forward. The 36 brass and wooden obliterators were numbered 1 to 18 and there were two of each number. An 'A' and a 'B' example. Mainly, the pairs with the same numbers on them were slightly different to each other in the shape of the numbers. The one numbered '13' is 'believed' used at Rangitikei - current day 'Bulls'. It is not known for sure to this present day where the other '13' was used. I am not aware, personally, of any covers in existence that can act as a proving cover for where exactly these obliterators (numbered 13) were used exactly. Does anyone reading this have anything further to add to this story? I am not even sure which of the two '13's were actually ascribed to Rangitikei. Perhaps they both were, who knows! Interesting one! Dave |
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