New Zealand: Chalons - 1855-1873

That's right gc (Grant 1) nzgrant (Grant 2) and my one have the same signature scribbled on it, it seems.
Here they are side by side:





Dave

My Chalon Catalogue Numbering System

Here's something for a bit of fun.  I remember when I started collecting Chalons the difficulty I had learning the 'code' of the catalogue numbers from both SG and CP.  I prefer the chronological order of SG but the detail of CP, but the SG added as an afterthought catalogue numbers then numbers combined with letters, and the CP complex numbers both did my head in.  So I invented my own.  Haha - told you it was a laugh.

However someone new was talking to me about Chalons the other day and they were getting confused so I pulled out my numbers and they got it straight away - so made me wonder.  Funny because when you look at the SG and CP numbers on right it's easy to see how confusing they are.

What changes would you make?  I haven't added all the varieties but you can see that to add something is easy and the code remains intact as such.  I could add all retouched plates and imperf varieties etc without altering the code - just adding new entries.  Also note that each variety of perf/separation has same code rather than different ones, and those codes identify it straight away (P13) = Perf 13.  etc.

I was thinking next step might be (I have this in an excel spreadsheet) to load up all the sales data last 2-3 years from major auctions and mathematically calculate a range of prices paid and create a dynamic catalogue of actual prices paid.  Not that hard but it would take a little time.  

Anyway - a bit of fun.  Plenty of work needed.

Received these recently.

8 NZ Chalon forgeries.
I only had 1 previously, so have 9 now :-)

I am not too sure who did these ones, I will need to do some research on them.






Dave

From my reading, just now, of an article by Gerald Ellott entitled 'NZ Chalon Forgeries', I think it is saying that these are:
either by 'Torres' or by the 'Spiro Brothers' of Hamburg.

(I have a copy of the PDF which can be emailed to anyone asking me via PM).

The 'Jeffrys' forgery of the 1/- looks like this :





Dave

And these are attributed to 'Torres' :





Dave

Hi all
I need some help
Does anyone have a guess as to what plate position this is. This is not a trick, as I genuinely don't know.
Regards Grant

Hey Grant

Wow. That is a tough one.

Plating needs some reference points to go on. Could you please edit your picture of the said stamp and highlight the reference points on the stamp please.
Initially I can see a couple of spots in the lower margin but are there others you know of?

As I now have a full sheet of the 'Hausburg' reprint I could use that as well as a few other pieces of info I possess.
Apart from the plateII retouches I have not plated individual stamps before so it will be tough.

Hopefully Philip or Jim can tune in and assist.



Dave

Hi Dave



The only sections that look out of place are as you said. The printing flaws ( dots ) lower left and below the "WO" of TWO

Also if you click on the image and really zoom in there seems to be two faint lines through the "P" of PENCE

Looking at the colour and wear, it maybe from the first printing prior to major wear and retouching



Regards Grant

This stamp is a puzzle as the perforations vary as shown.  As best as I can tell, they gauge as 12.75, 12.5, 12 & 12.  Looking from the front, the difference can be seen by eye, particularly the top vs the bottom.  My other 3d Chalons are all either 13 (A3b) or 12.5 (A3d).  There is a note in CP that says that the long sides of 12.5 often gauge as 12.75, but no mention of 12.  Any ideas?

Cheers Grant.

I will bear you in mind as 1st choice to offer it to when the time comes

What are these worth in NZ$ by the way? I think I have some idea but you don't see them around too often, that's for sure.



Dave

I tend to agree with Dave re perf enhancement.

And possible margin added left side toward the bottom ( and re-painted )

Grant

Thanks for the new pics of that LHS on the 3d Grant (nzgrant)

Well then, it could be that the lower half of the LHS (from the front) may also be reperfed as the top half looks ok for p12½.

Opinion then that the 2 sides that measure p12 have been fiddled with. It's not unheard of, in fact quite commonly done in the 'old' days.



Dave

BTW, my example of R18/6 comes from this strip of 3.

SG115a 2d blue retouched plate II - R18/4, R18/5 & R18/6





Dave

Lovely lot there Neil.
Some nice individual ones there, love that 4d orange-yellow one and the 2d blue & 1/- green with the selvedges.

My 2d blue imperf above is also on a blue paper - trying to emulate the SG5 !!



Dave