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Post by gc on Jan 20, 2024 1:13:03 GMT
I also thought the readers might like to see some Chalons used to post newspapers. As far as I can tell there are 6 recorded uses of Chalons used to send newspapers. Here are three from my collection. The first is a perf 10 SG126 on star watermarked paper. The newspaper is the The Illustrated New Zealand Herald—For Home Readers 1872 ( June 5 ) from Manuherikia ( Alexandra ) Stamp cancelled with Goldfields “024” The second is a pair of perf 12.5 SG111 1d Orange-vermilion stamps paying the double Newspaper rate for a bi-weekly newspaper ( two copies ) The Hawkes Bay Herald from Ahuriri to Dunedin 1869 The last is a pair of perf 12.5 SG114 2d stamps paying the correct Book Packet rate up to 4 oz for a “periodical publication” I was able to find and print off the entire edition from 1866. It is 36 pages long, hence the weight. I have attached page 1 Enjoy
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Post by neilmac on Jan 20, 2024 21:52:58 GMT
I also thought the readers might like to see some Chalons used to post newspapers. As far as I can tell there are 6 recorded uses of Chalons used to send newspapers. Here are three from my collection. The first is a perf 10 SG126 on star watermarked paper. The newspaper is the The Illustrated New Zealand Herald—For Home Readers 1872 ( June 5 ) from Manuherikia ( Alexandra ) Stamp cancelled with Goldfields “024” The second is a pair of perf 12.5 SG111 1d Orange-vermilion stamps paying the double Newspaper rate for a bi-weekly newspaper ( two copies ) The Hawkes Bay Herald from Ahuriri to Dunedin 1869 Enjoy Very nice triple indeed. I have nothing like these - nice pieces. Be very keen to see your exhibition piece when you've completed it. Neil
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Post by neilmac on Jan 24, 2024 23:32:29 GMT
Pondering this info, provided by Rod, on the addressee, Mr Mais Esq, I wonder about the connection between his occupation as a Civil Engineer and the drawing on the back of the envelope, of a suspension bridge somewhere in New Zealand. Perhaps he was advising on the construction of a bridge in Central Otago duing the 'Gold Rush' ! I wonder if he ever travelled to NZ to oversee some civil works? Anything is possible ....... Dave That intrigued me as well. Never seen anything like it before. I found this on another cover auction. "The addressee on that cover, Henry Coathupe Mais, was Engineer-in-Chief of Public Works from 1867 to 1887. He oversaw the greatest part of the expansion of railways in the Colony." I'm guessing that's Australian Public works but he must have had an input into NZ as well? If you google his full name it has plenty on him. www.philasearch.com/en/i_9466_52747/6110_South_Australian/9466-A254-2126.html?set_sprache=en&suchtext=new+zealand+chalon&search_type=fulltext&page=2&row_nr=45&breadcrumbId=1706138843.8933
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Post by neilmac on Jan 24, 2024 23:37:36 GMT
Henry Coathupe Mais (1827-1916), engineer, was born on 14 May 1827 at Westbury-on-Trym, near Bristol, England, son of Henry Mais, engineer, and his wife Amelia Jane, née Coathupe. Educated at Bishop's College, Bristol, he was articled for seven years to W. M. Peniston, one of I. K. Brunel's chief engineers, and worked on English railways. For some months at Birmingham he made steam engines, superintended the building of locomotives at Swindon and in 1850 worked on the Hull docks. In December Mais arrived in Sydney with machinery for a foundry and engineering works but found conditions too unsettled and joined the Sydney Railway Co. as acting engineer. He resigned in March 1852 and among other work supervised the building of a steam sawmill at Brisbane Water. He returned to Sydney and in 1855 joined the City Commissioners' Department as assistant engineer on the water and sewerage works. Later that year a select committee into the department's handling of the sewerage works accused him with other city engineers of 'negligence, ignorance or corruption'. Though his dismissal was recommended, the city commissioners strongly opposed the committee and protected him. After government pressure Mais resigned in May 1856 but for five months was given a temporary post in the railways and then practised privately. In January 1857 another select committee accused him of 'gross misconduct' and inexcusable errors while working on the sewerage project. Mais went to Victoria and in 1859-61 worked for Cornish & Bruce, with charge of the Gisborne, Black Forest and Woodend section of the Sandhurst-Melbourne line. As engineer and general manager of the Melbourne Railway Co. for three years, he won praise as a 'first class man in every sense of the word'. In December 1863 the Colonial Bank of Australia awarded him £25 for his conduct of the Melbourne railway during the floods. When the suburban railways were taken over by the government in 1866 he joined the Water Supply Department. With high professional and personal references Mais applied on 19 February 1867 for the post of engineer and architect to the South Australian government. After interviews he was offered £750 as engineer-in-chief and appointed on 27 March. His post included the general managership of railways and charge of all public works except buildings, but his duties were eased by the appointments of an engineer of harbours and jetties in March 1876 and a hydraulic engineer in April 1878. In the late 1870s he was well known in Adelaide as a 'splendid host'; at his home in Rundle Street, Kent Town, he gave musical evenings with dances to follow and lavish suppers. On 30 September 1882 his wife Jane Amelia, née Weaver, died in Adelaide aged 49. Soon afterwards he toured railways and other works in Europe and America. His lengthy report with many detailed illustrations was printed in 1884 as a parliamentary paper.In 1887 Mais became involved with the private Silverton Tramway Co. over building a connexion from the Barrier Ranges to the transcontinental railway in South Australia. In parliament he was accused of accepting private work and using government draftsmen to prepare plans for the company; Mais conceded that he had acted in an unusual manner but contended that the circumstances were exceptional and would greatly benefit the colony. However, his resignation was accepted and six-months' leave granted in March 1888 only after he agreed to pay his fees from the Silverton Tramway Co. into the treasury. Mais left Adelaide and went into private practice as a consulting engineer in Melbourne. As an arbitrator he acted in important disputes between railway contractors and the governments of Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania. For sixteen years he was chairman of the Victorian Advisory Committee of the Institution of Civil Engineers. He was a member of the Institution of Civil Engineers, London, of the Society of Engineers, London, and the American Society of Civil Engineers. He was a Freemason. He retired in 1912 and on 25 February 1916 died at his home in South Yarra, survived by three sons and two daughters.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 25, 2024 0:10:41 GMT
Nice work Neil, Railway platform, defunct Silverton Tramway, Silverton New South Wales Australia As a 9 year old, I used to sell papers and Magazines on a similar platform, at Elizabeth North in South Australia Still can recall the peculiar odour of fresh newsprint, and glossy magazines "Women's weekly" was a favourite. wiki
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Post by DK on Jan 25, 2024 8:14:21 GMT
Lovely items above gc Grant. Your collection must be a 'thing of beauty' :-) Dave
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Post by neilmac on Jan 26, 2024 1:55:20 GMT
Hi Dave, I have enquired from my supplier whether they can source more. The price was very reasonable - NZ$300 landed. The paper was listed within their NZ stock and was marketed as circa 1855. I'm not an expert on paper and so wondered about things like Bluing etc but in the end it was too nice not to buy. I'll let you know if he has more. Neilmac Hi Neil I could be interested in a full sheet at a fair price, if you do end up with some. Regards Grant Hi Grant, I have received the sheets. They are not FFQ watermarks (W1) but look to me more like W1a which were used for Newspaper stamps. They are pristine however and look excellent none-the-less. They ended up costing me $250 landed so if you're keen same plus a tube and postage and that will be great. I am a collector not a dealer . If anyone else would like one please don't hesitate to reach out. Cheers, Neil
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Post by gc on Jan 26, 2024 4:33:37 GMT
Bugger, I would love a full sheet of W1 for my reference collection.
Many thanks for getting back to me Neil
Cheers Grant
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Post by gc on Jan 26, 2024 4:35:03 GMT
Lovely items above gc Grant. Your collection must be a 'thing of beauty' :-) Dave Many thanks Dave It's taken over 25 years, but I am very pleased with what I have accumulated so far. Don't forget, you have some great items too. Regards Grant
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Post by rod222 on Jan 26, 2024 5:20:29 GMT
Bugger, I would love a full sheet of W1 for my reference collection. Many thanks for getting back to me Neil Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Jan 26, 2024 7:21:13 GMT
In Ashford Stamps latest auction, 101 - closing on 15th February 2024, Brian has a lot listed of interest to nzgrant : Here are a couple of similar shown earlier in this thread : Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 26, 2024 7:24:03 GMT
Hi Neil I could be interested in a full sheet at a fair price, if you do end up with some. Regards Grant Hi Grant, I have received the sheets. They are not FFQ watermarks (W1) but look to me more like W1a which were used for Newspaper stamps. They are pristine however and look excellent none-the-less. They ended up costing me $250 landed so if you're keen same plus a tube and postage and that will be great. I am a collector not a dealer . If anyone else would like one please don't hesitate to reach out. Cheers, Neil Thats a bit of a shame Neil. A pity they are not the W.1 wmk 'large star'. I would have taken a large block if they had been so. The 'Newspaper star' not quite so appealing. But many thanks for trying :-) Appreciated Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 26, 2024 7:26:55 GMT
I have received that Waipukurau m/s 2d Richardson today. Here is a better scan of it, front and back : I believe the date on it is 20 / 11 / 62SG9Dave
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Post by gc on Jan 26, 2024 17:42:36 GMT
And a 1d SG 111 on Newspaper piece - uncommon Dave Hi Dave This is a long time ago, but can you remember who was selling this ? I did not have this reference copy in my list. Which now stands at 8 Chalon items on Newspapers. Thanks Grant
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Post by DK on Jan 27, 2024 8:16:32 GMT
I cannot remember where I found that one gc Grant. I would pick it was from an ACS or Ashford auction but havent located it yet. I shall keep looking tho' ..... In the meantime I have found a couple more. One I had an image saved from somewhere (don't ask me where from as I cannot remember) lol But the 2nd one is from an ACS Auction 22, of April 30 - May 1 2022 : SG111 on newspaper piece - Wellington Independant - January 6, 1870 SG111 on newspaper piece - Otago Daily Times - August 18, 1871 Dave
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Post by gc on Jan 28, 2024 0:08:49 GMT
Crickey Dave that's great. Now make it 9 copies on Newspapers. Here's me thinking my 3 copies were the bulk that was out there, now it is only 1/3 I had the 6 January 1870 one, but hadn't recorded the other one when it went through ACS auction. Cheers Grant
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Post by nzgrant on Jan 31, 2024 2:29:30 GMT
I noticed a couple of vertical lines in the watermark on this SG113. Is this an edge feature on the sheet?
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Post by DK on Jan 31, 2024 7:25:16 GMT
Yes. There were 5 lines running around the outside of the sheet - the sheet margin. The margin also included the words 'Postage'. Here is a block of 4 SG117 3d lilac showing this: and, if you click on this image and enlarge it you may just see it on this full sheet of 1/- - from the Te Papa museum Postal archives : Dave
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Post by nzgrant on Jan 31, 2024 7:41:46 GMT
So did the margin lines sometimes encroach onto the stamps themselves?
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Post by DK on Jan 31, 2024 7:43:22 GMT
Yes they do, sometimes.
These stamps are often described as 'being from the edge of the sheet'.
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Post by gc on Feb 1, 2024 6:25:58 GMT
Hi nzgrant This is a sheet from my collection which shows the lines and the word POSTAGE Cheers Grant
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Post by neilmac on Feb 3, 2024 2:44:22 GMT
Folks, need your help. This pair is up for auction. I almost went past as I have plenty of these but there was something about them. What do you think of these stamps and postmark?
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Post by neilmac on Feb 3, 2024 3:59:31 GMT
Is this just massively over-inked creating poor print quality or something else?
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Post by DK on Feb 3, 2024 5:48:44 GMT
Folks, need your help. This pair is up for auction. I almost went past as I have plenty of these but there was something about them. What do you think of these stamps and postmark? Looking at the date of the Dunedin CDS - AU 1x 64 - and looking at inking, I would suggest an 'NZ' wmk & probably p13 - therefore SG 106. If it is p12½ then SG 109 - but - as the Government perforating machine had only been put into operation in June of 1864, I don't believe the pins would be misfiring like they seem to be on this pair. So SG 106 ' NZ' wmk p13 for me. Dave
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Post by gc on Feb 5, 2024 6:10:03 GMT
Can anyone work out the name who sent the "printed matter" ? Someone thought Alexander Caivill, but I am not so sure.
Thanks Grant
Alexander Cairns? I looked at his writing and thought the 'r' of "printed matter" looked like it was repeated in his name after the 'I'. Cricket player and worked for the Railways! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Cairns_(cricketer) Hi Neil ( and other readers ) Could it have been this Alexander Cairns ( this man would have been 57 years old when the item was posted ). The Alexander Cairns above would have only been 20 years old at the time. Food for thought. Thanks Grant THE CYCLOPEDIA OF NEW ZEALAND [OTAGO & SOUTHLAND PROVINCIAL DISTRICTS] MR. ALEXANDER CAIRNS Previous Section | Table of Contents | Up | Next Section MR. ALEXANDER CAIRNS was a native of Menstrie, Perthshire, Scotland, where he was born in 1813. He served an apprenticeship as a stonemason, and in 1852 sailed for Victoria. In Melbourne he established a successful iron trade, but in 1862 he forsook Victoria for New Zealand. He entered the iron-mongery trade in Dunedin, and his business was the forerunner of that afterwards and still carried on by Messrs Arthur Briscoe and Co. In 1867, having disposed of his business, Mr. Cairns was appointed superintendent of works under the Provincial Council, and retained the post until the abolition of the provinces. He was elected to the City Council as a representative for South Ward, in August, 1884, and held his seat until the end of his term in 1886. He died on the 10th of December, 1891, leaving a large family of grown-up sons and daughters.
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Post by DK on Feb 9, 2024 22:48:08 GMT
*** Fair Warning ***Auckland City Stamps Public Auction 26 - Sat. March 9 & Sun. March 10, 2024Featuring a section of Klaus Moller 'Chalons' Online Live Bidding for registered bidders. Plate 2 Plate 4 Also, I see this piece back on the market gc : Dave
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Post by neilmac on Feb 10, 2024 23:38:29 GMT
*** Fair Warning ***Auckland City Stamps Public Auction 26 - Sat. March 9 & Sun. March 10, 2024Featuring a section of Klaus Moller 'Chalons' Online Live Bidding for registered bidders. Dave Yes I had a good look at that on Friday. There are some nice pieces in Klaus' collection for sure. Also some very nice ranges of colour variations. I think I'm keen on the proofs myself. Neil
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Post by gc on Feb 11, 2024 0:32:55 GMT
Hi Neil
Did you have any other leads on Alexnader Cairns. I would like to write an article, but I think we need to confirm who the sender was somehow.
Will be very interesting to see how the auction goes with so many lots sold with multiple items.
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Post by neilmac on Feb 15, 2024 20:55:23 GMT
Hi Neil Did you have any other leads on Alexnader Cairns. I would like to write an article, but I think we need to confirm who the sender was somehow. Will be very interesting to see how the auction goes with so many lots sold with multiple items. Thanks Grant Apologies Grant, I've been travelling for work and flat out. I don't have any other leads at the moment but I have a busy period of work ending today and will have some space to dig further next week. The auction will be very interesting. Every single stamp from Klaus' collection has a certificate with most being Odenweller. That's quite unique I think. It must have cost him a fortune. I'm keen on a few lots but I think others will be too so interesting to see how prices go. Yes, those multiples are interesting and I for one like that these lots are not broken down to individual stamps as it keeps the previous collector's efforts together, and typically dealers do this to get more for the stamps (which is fair I guess as that's their job). In the meantime some new additions to my collection. Some 'Presentation Specimens' of the later Chalons with the distinctive straight line corner cancellation. The 3d, 4d and 1/- Large Star 1864-71, 1d & 6d large star 1871-73 and the 1873 2d orange no wmk.
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Post by DK on Feb 17, 2024 20:07:21 GMT
What a very nice looking set of 'Presentation' cancels there neilmac. They look great. I don't have any! But would like to have some Well done Dave
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