murfz1
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 27, 2020 12:28:59 GMT
The New Zealand “Numbered Obliterators” Dunedin Postal District Cancellations – and will be completing the pages with cancellations I have in my collection. I am always looking for the missing obliterators and find it interesting and cheap at present to source new material. No. “020 - 022”
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DK
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Post by DK on Oct 28, 2020 3:27:04 GMT
Dave I have provided a Retro-reveal scan of the stamp which definitely confirms this is a PB. "17" Hope this confirms my identification. It can be hard with cancellations that are not fully clear. Regards Andrew Hi Andrew Certainly looks different under Retroreveal doesn't it? It looks a little smudgy but I can see that it 'may' be a 17 instead of a 14. In an ideal world all of the cancels are unambiguous - but - this is far from an ideal world! So long as you are happy with it then all good. Your pages for the local obliterators are looking good too. :-) Hopefully I will have a chance this weekend to take a look at my books and see what gaps I can fill in of these Otago 'O' oblits. If I have some I will post some pics. Well done Dave
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 28, 2020 11:51:23 GMT
The New Zealand “Numbered Obliterators” Dunedin Postal District Cancellations – and will be completing the pages with cancellations I have in my collection. I am always looking for the missing obliterators and find it interesting and cheap at present to source new material. No. “023 - 025” Regards Andrew
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 28, 2020 12:15:41 GMT
The New Zealand “Numbered Obliterators” Dunedin Postal District Cancellations – and will be completing the pages with cancellations I have in my collection. I am always looking for the missing obliterators and find it interesting and cheap at present to source new material. No. “026 - 035” Regards Andrew
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 28, 2020 12:17:06 GMT
The New Zealand “Numbered Obliterators” Dunedin Postal District Cancellations – and will be completing the pages with cancellations I have in my collection. I am always looking for the missing obliterators and find it interesting and cheap at present to source new material. No. “036 - 050” Regards Andrew
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 28, 2020 12:18:22 GMT
The New Zealand “Numbered Obliterators” Dunedin Postal District Cancellations – and will be completing the pages with cancellations I have in my collection. I am always looking for the missing obliterators and find it interesting and cheap at present to source new material. No. “051 - 063” Regards Andrew
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DK
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Post by DK on Oct 31, 2020 20:50:39 GMT
After going thru' my books Andrew, I have found these ones that you have missing above : O3 of Hampden O31 of Dunstan Creek (later St. Bathan's) O44 of Black's Diggings (in the Otago Goldfields - later Ophir) O53 of Hamilton's (later Hamilton South) O62 of Switzer's Dave
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 31, 2020 23:15:57 GMT
Nice "DK" its interesting that we do not see many offered up and some numbered obliterators are quite hard to find. But at present most are cheap when you see them. I don't think many have an interest in collecting these at present. Its a great way to develop a secondary interest.
Regards Andrew
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Post by DK on Nov 13, 2020 20:35:31 GMT
Hi Andrew I was just looking thru' my books again and found this Otago District cancel (it wasn't amongst my postmark collection). SG131a with an O20 postmark of Warepa (Toiro) Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 13, 2020 21:08:13 GMT
Another wee sideline is collecting the Chalon with a CDS cancel only. A selection below from the 1864-1870 perforated series : Dave
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Post by gc on Nov 14, 2020 20:20:30 GMT
Hi Dave Nice to see them all together like that, with various dates. Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Nov 14, 2020 21:10:46 GMT
Hi Grant
Yes they do look nice. :-)
A wee correction to the above (I just noticed it) the 1st 2d blue is a p13 from 1863 - so not part of the p12½ 1864-70 series, but just prior.
I will get up some from the 1871-73 color changed series later.
Dave
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Post by gc on Nov 14, 2020 21:42:48 GMT
I don't suppose its an SG96a by any chance ? Its the right date for one.
Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Nov 15, 2020 3:51:11 GMT
Hi Grant
I took another look at it to make sure and it definitely is 'Large Star' wmk - so not SG96a unfortunately. It is SG73 Pale blue
But dates are good, I agree :-)
Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 15, 2020 4:44:11 GMT
OK. Here are some from the 1871-1873 New Color Series Noted that I couldn't find 5 of the 6d Blue with a CDS in my books - decided it must be a bit rarer on the 6d as most have the more common of the time local 7 bar obliterator/duplex. Must keep an eye out for that :-) Dave
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Post by murfz1 on Nov 16, 2020 11:27:35 GMT
Dave I like the CDS cancellations posted and are working through my collection and will get to CDS's in due course. I have been working on the Canterbury cancellations the first page is the early doubles: The second page is the later doubles and "C" obliterators. Onto the Lyttelton Cancellations Canterbury Regional "Letters" Canterbury District Cancellations Canterbury "Dumb" cancellations as can best be identified. Enjoy and will post more later. Once again always interested if you think I have mis-identified anything. Regards Andrew
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Post by gc on Nov 18, 2020 7:39:25 GMT
Hi Andrew and Dave On a similar theme, here are some manuscript cancels and other interesting cancellations This is a lovely cover bearing a SG43 on cover with "Taraire" manuscript cancel and dated 22 March 1864
SG45 bearing a "Late Fee" cancel ( An additional 1/- fee was applied to mail which arrived after closing of general mail. ).
SG82/83 bearing a "PD" ( Paid to Destination ) Cancel
SG107 bearing "Orari" manuscript cancel
SG107 bearing what is probably a "9" over and "X" manuscript cancel ( most likely Porirua Ferry )
SG107 bearing a "W", possibly Windwhistle
SG110 dated 14 January 1867
SG110 bearing a large "K", possibly Kingston
SG112 dated 12 October 1869
SG114 on cover bearing "9" over "X" manuscript cancel, most likely Porirua Ferry
SG115 bearing a "R" manuscript cancel of Riwaka
SG115 bearing a circular framed "S", Southland District
SG115 bearing a fancy "S" of Southland District. This stamp is from Row 14, No 12
SG117 showing a "S" inside radiating bars, most likely from Stafford
SG122 showing a "S" inside radiating bars, most likely from Stafford
SG125 bearing a fancy "S" of Southland District
SG125 bearing a "LATE FEE" cancellation ( An additional 1/- fee was applied to mail which arrived after closing of general mail. ).
SG133 bearing a "COROMANDEL" manuscript cancel
SG138 bearing a "RUATANIWHA" manuscript cancellation
SG138 bearing "ALF" of Alford Forest
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Post by murfz1 on Nov 18, 2020 12:55:33 GMT
Interestingly I only have 7 manuscripts and I have been unable to identify any...... Vol. III has given me a few hints but nothing substantial. Can anyone with a little more knowledge hazard a guess at any? Possibly similar to the "Wai-iti" Vol. II page 104 figures 175 Possibly similar to the "Waikereru" Vol. II page 104 figures 187 Unknown Unknown Letters Unknown Star or series of lines? Possibly similar to the "a" Vol. II page 106 figures 226 and 227 Regards Andrew
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Post by gc on Nov 19, 2020 5:11:50 GMT
Hi Andrew Would your second copy be "Waimate". See my cover attached. Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Nov 19, 2020 5:44:51 GMT
Waimate looks good Grant. I think that you are correct there.
BTW nice cover :-)
Love your above pieces before Andrews. The 1/- Late Fee is gorgeous and the p13 2d Pelure with PD is lovely too. You have some nice items there.
Andrew, I will look a little more closely at your unknown m/s items in the weekend. One or two of them we should be able to confirm.
Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 21, 2020 1:39:17 GMT
Your first one above Andrew, the 2d blue imperf with a m/s 'W' & a "C" obliterator of Canterbury, looks a little like the illustration in Vol.3 page 105 - no.225 That is for Wind Whistle House. Can you identify whether there is anything additional to the first W. It looks like there might be some more to the m/s than we can make out! Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 21, 2020 1:59:53 GMT
This one I have a similar one on an 1874 FSF 2d Rose. It has a 'C' obliterator with it and from memory I believe may be Ashburton. I have another one very similar to it but it has an 'A' & an 'N' in m/s along with the 'C' obliterator. See attached pics: Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 21, 2020 2:06:49 GMT
Just a guess here Andrew :-) but this one looks a bit like the Temuka Star in m/s. Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 21, 2020 3:31:33 GMT
Further to your pages on the Christchurch markings/obliterators above Andrew, here is a rather scarce one: An L15 CDS of Arowhenua The stamp is an SG86 1/- green on Pelure paper clearly dated FE 9 1863 (or the 9 may be a 6 as the number has been inserted into the date-slug sideways!) Ref. Vol.7 of the RPSNZ Handbooks page 190. Dave
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Post by murfz1 on Nov 22, 2020 0:53:20 GMT
"Your first one above Andrew, the 2d blue imperf with a m/s 'W' & a "C" obliterator of Canterbury, looks a little like the illustration in Vol.3 page 105 - no.225 That is for Wind Whistle House. Can you identify whether there is anything additional to the first W. It looks like there might be some more to the m/s than we can make out!"Dave yes there is what could be a second"W" down stroke and return touching the top of the second from the bottom bar. Possibily a piece of the right upstroke by the "C" and the bar above. I must admit the illustration 225 with the "C" is interesting. I discounted it due to the shape of the "W" as wind whistle is shown with a "W" with very straight strokes where my example is rounded at the bottom of the strokes. I wonder if Grant as any varieties of the wind whistle manuscipt. Regards Andrew
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Post by gc on Nov 22, 2020 6:04:39 GMT
Hi Dave and Andrew Here are some known Windwhistle ( House ) manuscript cancellations. Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Nov 22, 2020 7:07:14 GMT
Sorry Grant but that image upload doesn't work. Are you able to repost it?
Dave
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Post by gc on Nov 22, 2020 8:00:41 GMT
Hi Dave I can see it when I log into TSF I did not post any images of stamps, just the black and white strip showing possible options for Windwhistle. Cheers Grant
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Post by murfz1 on Nov 22, 2020 8:56:09 GMT
"Further to your pages on the Christchurch markings/obliterators above Andrew, here is a rather scarce one:
An L15 CDS of Arowhenua
Ref. Vol.7 of the RPSNZ Handbooks page 190."Dave I am still working through my CDS cancellations and building pages. I have three I will post now two are relevant to the "L" series you mention. "L 1" Suggested Papanui" Jan 12 186? L 7" Suggested Heathcote Valley The CDS as part of the CH.1 double cancellation AP - 16 - 1864 Regards Andrew
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Post by DK on Nov 22, 2020 9:37:32 GMT
Thanks Grant
I can see the image now, it wasn't showing first time round but IS there now.
Cheers
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