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Post by DK on Nov 22, 2020 9:38:47 GMT
Nice L1 there Andrew
I have a few of the others but will post later as rather late here now.
Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 25, 2020 1:19:21 GMT
Here is the only other L CDS of Christchurch(Lyttleton) that I can find in my books. The few others I have are incomplete and hard to say which L number they are. This is L10 of either Okain's Bay or Duvauchelle's Bay (in the RPSNZ Handbooks vol.7 page 190. L10 and L11 are not definitive but believed one is L10 and the other L11). SG36 1862-64 Davies - large star wmk. Dave
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Post by gc on Nov 27, 2020 21:39:01 GMT
Hi Dave and Andrew Here is a nice item I picked up a while ago. Very very rare to see a Chalon on an entire used for revenue purposes. It is believed the "GB"is Governors Bay
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Post by WERT on Nov 27, 2020 22:13:36 GMT
gc i was going to download a sharper version of your letter...BUT the website will not let me upload any pictures. Maybe "GB" since it is government and he is being charged board..Could it mean Government Board..
Robert
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Post by gc on Nov 27, 2020 22:40:11 GMT
Hi Robert
I guess it could be "Government Board", I'm not 100% sure on Governors Bay.
If you click on the image it should enlarge on your computer on high resolution.
Regards Grant
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Post by DK on Nov 28, 2020 8:42:12 GMT
Nice item Grant. I knew that I had seen it before and have found the article I had seen it in previously. See below link .... It gives some background to that m/s GB for 'Governors Bay' Manuscript GBEnjoy! Dave
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Post by WERT on Nov 28, 2020 14:54:38 GMT
Hi Grant The website still won't let me post images anymore..Don't know why. I cleaned up your image and i think it still may be "Board" paid to the Government.
Just my opinion my friend.
Robert BUT..I think Dave may have some thing there.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 28, 2020 16:48:41 GMT
Dave ( DK), that is a very nice reference on the GB Manuscript cancels. Thanks for posting that link. I have now added a copy of it to my electronic philatelic library. Just wanted to say again how much I have been enjoying this thread. Fingers crossed: my trip back to the US is booked for 08-Dec, and if it will still be possible to travel then, I will be reunited with my collection shortly thereafter, which includes my handful of NZ Chalon Heads. If my memory is correct, it's nothing compared to what I have seen here, but I have several different ones, maybe 8-10, so I will gather them up, do a decent scan and try to get some opinions from those of you who know a lot more about these issues than I do. I just need to continue hoping that the trip will still be possible.
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Post by DK on Nov 28, 2020 21:30:04 GMT
Thanks for the nice words.
It is a real pleasure to assist anyone here with what 'little' knowledge I have. I am always learning myself.
I really hope that you are able to make it back to the US of A, to reunite with your collection, and to be able to post up the Chalons you have. It will be interesting to see them and to be able to ascribe cat numbers to them too.
All the best
Dave
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Post by gc on Nov 28, 2020 22:54:37 GMT
Hi Dave and others Thanks for putting up Gerald's link Dave. I briefly owned the two stamps used for "revenue purposes". They sold within 10 minutes of sending out my email. One shows another "GB'" manuscript cancel. Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Dec 1, 2020 3:50:20 GMT
Here is another article - from Mowbrays site - which also mentions the revenue usage of the Chalon: on page 6 of the following article >> New Zealand's first stampsand here is the excerpt pertaining to revenue usage: "The Stamp Duties Act, 1866 made provision for the use of POSTAGE stamps (i.e. Full-Face Queens) for fiscal purposes from 1 January 1867 when fiscal stamps were unavailable. An article in The Christchurch Press of 14th January 1867 indicated that there was an immediate shortage of duty stamps, as shown by two examples in Figure 14. The first was used by the Bank of New Zealand in Blenheim (dated 2/1/67). The origin of the second example can probably be identified as being from Governors Bay, on Banks Peninsula, near Christchurch. Part of the cancel is that of a generic PAID rubber stamp, frequently seen on revenue stamps; the other part is a manuscript GB. This style of manuscript cancel is very like others which emanated from Governors Bay". Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 5, 2020 20:05:22 GMT
From the above quote re Postage Stamps being available for fiscal purposes from 1st Jan 1867, I note one of the Chalons above is dated 2/1/67 (2nd Jan) - so a very early usage. I looked thru' my books and found these 2 items. One is definately fiscal usage and dated 7/1/67 (7th Jan). The other has 3- in m/s so may indicate fiscal usage but it also has a postal obliterator on it , so may be postal. Fiscal usage definately worth looking out for, especially when dated. Dave
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Post by gc on Dec 8, 2020 4:55:42 GMT
Hi Dave and others I recently purchased this "PAID ALL" cancel Not the nicest of stamps, but nice to add to my 6d page Regards Grant
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Post by DK on Dec 8, 2020 8:13:08 GMT
Nice Grant :-)
An unused 6d blue - shame about the top corner but 'Paid All' is unusual. What does it mean and how was it used?
I have never seen that one before.
Dave
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Post by gc on Dec 11, 2020 4:43:06 GMT
Hi Dave Cant find a great deal of info. The Postage Stamps of New Zealand, Vol 7 states: Article IX of the Postal Convention between the United States and New Zealand, effective from 1 December 1870 read: Every fully prepaid letter dispatched from one country to the other should be plainly stamped with the words "PAID ALL" in red ink, on the right-hand upper corner of the address ...However as can be seen by my copy and other reported copies sometimes the cancel was applied over the stamp instead of the address. There are at least two known covers with "PAID ALL"stamped on them: 1. From Greymouth via Nelson to San Francisco ( 7 June 1872 ) 2. From Wellington to Pennsylvania ( 18 January 1873 ) Regards Grant
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Post by DK on Dec 11, 2020 7:19:12 GMT
That makes sense Grant :-) I went searching the internet and found this one also on an 1871 6d blue Lot 356 from a Schuyler Rumsey auction recently : Schuyler Rumsey Lot 356Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 12, 2020 0:31:50 GMT
And now that I think about this 'PAID ALL' marking I went and looked in to one of my 'Sidefaces' books and remembered I had this one : 1874-78 First Sideface 6d Blue SG156 p12½ Not a Chalon (as per this thread exactly :-) ) but it explains this marking on this stamp to me now (Lightbulb moment!!) Cheers Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 12, 2020 20:36:21 GMT
Here is an interesting one that I have just received in from the US - a dwarf copy SG128 1d brown (new colors) p10x12½. I wonder if this was once a 'double perf' and has been separated down the wrong line of perfs at top! It is noticably smaller than the 'normal' on the left here. Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 13, 2020 0:17:42 GMT
Here is an SG4 1d Red - Richardson on Blue Paper 1856-61 with a red 'Crown over Registered' marking Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 13, 2020 0:22:44 GMT
And a late use of an SG134 2d Vermillion / Orange-vermillion with a Dunedin duplex showing the 'D' part of the cancellation. These cancellation types were introduced around 1874-75, a year or 2 after the Chalon period. Dave
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Post by gc on Dec 15, 2020 4:43:23 GMT
And now that I think about this 'PAID ALL' marking I went and looked in to one of my 'Sidefaces' books and remembered I had this one : 1874-78 First Sideface 6d Blue SG156 p12½ Not a Chalon (as per this thread exactly :-) ) but it explains this marking on this stamp to me now (Lightbulb moment!!) Cheers Dave
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Post by gc on Dec 15, 2020 4:44:26 GMT
Hi Dave It also appears a slightly "larger"version of PAID ALL was used. I feel yours might be that version. Regards Grant
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Post by DK on Dec 19, 2020 19:40:24 GMT
I think so too Grant. Here is the relevant small section from the RPSNZ vol.7 p263 about the PAID ALL usage: Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 19, 2020 19:46:47 GMT
Just received in this 'unused' SG8 1d dull orange: Not 4 margins but very acceptable :-) It is on the no wmk, VM, thin, hard paper used by Richardson. Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 19, 2020 20:03:46 GMT
Also just received is this strip of 3 'Davies' SG110 on 'star' wmk paper : Clearly showing the issues faced when perforating the 1d, as the plate impressions were not exactly laid down in an orderly way ! Also, particularly as seen from the back, can be seen the way the perforations were made. Initially the government perforating machine was a 'comb' perf machine, but, this was altered within a couple of years to become a 'line' perforator. Note the uneveness of the vertical perforations (the central rhs particularly 'drunk'). Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 2, 2021 22:15:04 GMT
I got this one a while back, interesting in that it has a 'blue' obliterator cancellation. It is uncommon to get a cancel on a Chalon that is not 'black'. Occasionally you get a partial 'red' marking like a 'red' 'PAID AT' receiving cancel, when received in London etc Dave
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Post by gc on Jan 5, 2021 21:08:36 GMT
Hi Dave
Yes very unusual, I have not seen this before.
It would be great to have feed back from other readers whether they have see this before.
On a side note, what amazing clarity of print that 6d copy has, a real beauty showing the stunning design and printing.
Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Jan 5, 2021 23:24:13 GMT
Yes. More unusual when it is the 'only' color used as an obliteration. More usually, when there is a color other than black, it is in combination - ie it has been applied by the receiving Post Office after the sending office has placed their 'black' cancel on it. Like these ones : SG46, SG68 & SG113I would assume that the 1/- has a 'blue' marking added by, possibly, French authorities and the 'red' 'PD' and 'red' 'Paid at' by the English, upon arrival there. Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 5, 2021 23:32:22 GMT
I also have this one, which is a little worse for wear. A 'purple' colored cancel! Anyone care to guess which country would have applied this one? America ? Canada ? Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 21, 2021 2:14:12 GMT
Another Otago district cancellation here. O46 of 'Beaumont' on an SG122 6d red brown Dave
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