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Post by renden on Nov 24, 2020 19:19:38 GMT
A few of mine (latest crop) stuck in "muddy waters" - Wonder if they would respond to a peroxide wash René
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WERT
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Post by WERT on Nov 24, 2020 22:16:46 GMT
Don't you dare peroxide them Rene. Remember this..When i was into antiques and saw a item that was say 500.00 and then some one removed the pertina...I would only offer 50.00 BTW Rene..I don't have a muddy water yet..How sad.
Hope you and your family is doing good buddy.
Robert
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 24, 2020 22:40:47 GMT
René ( renden), thanks for your post. I always enjoy seeing these iconic classic issues, which the Canada Map Stamp surely is! René, I am with Robert ( WERT) on this.... please don't use peroxide on these. There is no justification for it, and you could end up damaging them. Please remember that soaking in hydrogen peroxide is only potentially a positive treatment for sulphuretting, which is the severe discoloration of stamps due to reaction with sulphur in the atmosphere. This means primarily orange color that has turned dark brown, red that has turned lake or dark magenta or possibly blue that has turned dark navy, almost black. As the red color in your stamps looks just as it should, there would be no reason to think that these copies have been sulphuretted, and therefore, no reason to soak in peroxide.
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renden
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Post by renden on Nov 24, 2020 22:59:11 GMT
Don't you dare peroxide them Rene. Hope you and your family is doing good buddy. Robert It is nice to have your opinion, Robert (Ontario) !! I had no intention of doing chemicals on those 3 !! I will, if you permit, send one specimen to you to add to your collection - OK ? Take care, be well - René
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Post by WERT on Nov 24, 2020 23:03:16 GMT
Wow Rene..That is a nice offer...But you can sell it to some one and make some money...You are such a nice person.
Robert
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Post by renden on Nov 24, 2020 23:52:36 GMT
Wow Rene..That is a nice offer...But you can sell it to some one and make some money...You are such a nice person. Robert Robert (Wert)....never sold a stamp unless for a very specific reason (ex: Auction) on TSF - Do not do Ebay, Hipstamp, etc..... personal choice - Your stamp is ready to go.....tomorrow ....giving or sharing with friends is always more fun !
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Post by WERT on Nov 25, 2020 1:42:13 GMT
Rene..You are a good person. IF ALL TSF MEMBERS THINK RENE IS ONE OF THE BEST GUYS AROUND..LIKE THIS REPLY TO SHOW HIM.
Thanks Rene.
Robert
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Post by nikhil on Nov 25, 2020 12:48:41 GMT
Have been slowly finding more time for stamps. so took a break away from watermarks of Australia . Wanted to know opinions on the cancel of this lovely queen. I got it in a giveaway from Mr. Frog as a Scott 37d (not really sure about the perfs though) Using retroreveal I can see - 'TO' - which could be Toronto 7 - 1887 OR 1897 ?? And a numeral 1 or something ?
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 25, 2020 16:33:40 GMT
The cancel on that lovely Small Queen of yours nikhil is indeed for TORONTO / *CANADA*
A few more details about the cancel that you might be interested in from the Postal History Society of Canada website include: "1' in circle in vertical killer bars, only one of two L7's (where '7' is the number of vertical killer bars) with side Maltese crosses.
This one has large Maltese crosses, dater and killer almost touch (the other version actually does), measurement from the top left tip of first 'T to the bottom left tip of first 'A' is 12.5mm, indicia order TM/month & day/year : ERD : 1888-12-05
LRD : 1889-09-14
In which case, that '7' you see is more likely the day/date...
Happy collecting!
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nikhil
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Post by nikhil on Nov 26, 2020 4:18:51 GMT
Ok. Thanks stanley64 ! Wonderful information you dug out there! So, the possibility of it being scott 37d is quite low.. maybe the perforations are forged ?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 26, 2020 10:54:35 GMT
Nice post, nikhil .... it's good to see that stamp you got again. And thanks to Vince ( stanley64 ) for describing details about the postmark; that's very informative! So, Nikhil, perhaps I am missing something here. Why is it that you now suspect that this stamp may not be the Canada Sc37d perf 12½ that Frog ( firstfrog2013 ) said it was? Frog was quite the specialist in classic Canada, so it seems unlikely to have been misidentified. Did you check the perf size? Is it 12½ all around? 'Forged' perfs, as you put it, seem highly unlikely to me, but perhaps I am just being naïve. As your copy has ample margins all around, it seems very difficult for me to believe that the perfs are not genuine. Stamps that have been re-perforated with the intent to deceive collectors usually show some tell-tale signs, and I am not really seeing evidence of that in your images. Are you suspicious because the catalogue indicates 'Ottawa' next to the listing? I thought that meant that the stamp would have been printed in Ottawa, not that it has anything to do with where the stamp might have been used. Perhaps Vince or Ryan or jimjung or renden or watermark or someone else more knowledgeable about early Canada can answer this for us?
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 26, 2020 11:54:49 GMT
If you are curious, a search of the TSF boards with an all word search, 'toronto city cancel' will turn up an earlier example of this cancel type on a lovely Canada Post Card.
Similarily, as Terri ( philatelia ) suggested in a recent posting, auction catalogues are a great source of information and a search of a site like StampAuctionNetwork with similar terms will turn up other examples. The format was in use for quite the lengthy period (1884 - 1920s) and more than thirty different hammers have been identified with the L7 killer; so plenty of material exists.
As for the stamp itself being a 37d, hmm....
In addition to it being a very late usage, the lack of position dots, and for the fact that the colour is too much to orange-red spectrum (in my opinion) would suggest to me that you are correct, it is not what initially thought. Your mileage may vary and I encourage you to continue the research...
Happy collecting!
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nikhil
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Post by nikhil on Nov 26, 2020 12:40:55 GMT
Beryllium Guy- Thanks for your post. I do not doubt firstfrog2013 's knowledge. He has some superb stuff as seen in his postings. Initially when I got the stamp I just kept it aside since I didn't have many Canada stamps. Slowly I have been reading about Canada stamps and have learnt a little about the different printings, perfs etc. From what I have read most of the 37d's have the postmark of a particular place (St John I think?) Also the date on mine is a quite late usage as stanley64 also pints out. Not sure about the colour though since pictures and scans can show differently on everyone's screens. As for the perfs, I thought maybe because of the clean cut it may be forged . Not really sure then about the perfs since you suggested the margins are quite normal. Looking forward to others comments too!
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nikhil
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Post by nikhil on Nov 26, 2020 12:43:27 GMT
If you are curious, a search of the TSF boards with an all word search, 'toronto city cancel' will turn up an earlier example of this cancel type on a lovely Canada Post Card.
Similarily, as Terri ( philatelia ) suggested in a recent posting, auction catalogues are a great source of information and a search of a site like StampAuctionNetwork with similar terms will turn up other examples. The format was in use for quite the lengthy period (1884 - 1920s) and more than thirty different hammers have been identified with the L7 killer; so plenty of material exists.
As for the stamp itself being a 37d, hmm....
I am no expert, but in addition to it being a very late usage, the lack of position dots, and for the fact that the colour is too much to orange-red spectrum (in my opinion) would suggest to me that you are correct, it is not what initially thought. Your mileage may very and I encourage you to continue the research...
Happy collecting!
Thanks ! Actually I love the stamp irrespective of the catalogue number since I do not have any other small or large queens ☺ But always good to know others opinions !
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 26, 2020 14:31:09 GMT
Thanks for your response, nikhil. Sorry, I responded in this thread, but I see now that there is a more in-depth discussion about the Small Queens on the other thread. I have now read through those posts, and I can see where jimjung states that there are only two known locations for postmarked Sc37d stamps, one of which is St. John, NB. I would have to agree that evidence seems to be piling up against your stamp as being an Sc37d. I will check something later myself to see if I can offer any evidence one way or the other. I am having laptop issues at the moment, which is why I am making this post using my phone.
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Post by watermark on Nov 26, 2020 15:10:01 GMT
Here is a certified copy of 37d used MA 3 1870 NS with multiple postmarks. I can't make out the town. Unitrade Catalogue 2020 list earliest recorded use as Jan 13, 1870. This one was bought out of an APS circuit book many years ago for the bold price of 15 cents. Mike
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Post by nikhil on Nov 26, 2020 16:23:48 GMT
Beryllium Guy- I forgot to reply to your question on whether I measured it using a perf gauge. I had done it on a printed perf gauge about 6-8 months back, it did measure 12.5 x 12.5 or maybe I must have made a mistake. I have since lost the original file and can't find the printout too. I do have scans of other gauges but which don't seem to printing correctly. Also, I have been in the process of developing a perf gauge since the SG Instanta has been discontinued (grab many before it goes out of stock 😂😂) Maybe if I manage to get the measurements correct I will distribute it to members here, let's see....
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Post by WERT on Dec 1, 2020 21:31:23 GMT
Got a nice surprise today at the mailbox...A letter from renden {René} He knew I had a decent Canada Map Stamp collection... I told him i had a hard time getting a copy of the Map Stamp muddy waters variety. HE SENT ME ONE René, you are the best... Thanks so much. Robert
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Post by dgdecker on Dec 28, 2020 20:50:15 GMT
I am looking for a bit of help in trying to identify a postmark/ cancellation on Nova Scotia Scott 11. As you can see there is no place or time indicated. Is this a legitimate mark? There is no gum. I am thinking that the mark was added as an attempt to « improve » the value of the block. Also, at the time, what would cost this much to mail.? posting in NS thread as well. Any other places I should post please advise. David i
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renden
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Post by renden on Dec 28, 2020 20:59:48 GMT
dgdeckermy friend Robert WERT will respond - I like this 8 1/2¢ block Unitr 11) but cancels for Nova Scotia ? You will receive his opinion René
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Post by dgdecker on Dec 28, 2020 21:28:01 GMT
dgdecker my friend Robert WERT will respond - I like this 8 1/2¢ block Unitr 11) but cancels for Nova Scotia ? You will receive his opinion René The cancel just does not look right to me. I know this was a gift from about 20 years ago so I have no idea where it came from. david
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Post by WERT on Dec 29, 2020 1:12:31 GMT
dgdecke....This is not a standard east coast cancel that i have seen before. Most cancels look like below.
It may have been caused by a couple of reasons.... 1 - Some one fooling around with a nice block. {none postal system}
2 - Way back then, MAYBE some one {Post Master/Postal employee } did not have/or have a cancel because of breakage. 3 - Random circle stamp {not legal}
Just my opinions...
BUT..We were not there..Hard one to nail down. Robert
I think you have a block of Scott 11i {yellow/green} as far as i can see. Was hoping one of your stamps was a Scott 11ii _unshaded "E" like mine below.
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renden
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Post by renden on Jan 8, 2021 18:18:59 GMT
Just received - from First Cents Issue Canada Unitrade # 20 - 2¢ rose - perf 12X11 3/4 - used 1st printing 1864
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REL1948
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Post by REL1948 on Apr 12, 2021 2:17:47 GMT
I was looking at my Canada stamps today. It's been awhile, I thought this was a pretty group of the "Low Value" Jubilees and I wanted to share them. Rob
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Post by renden on May 4, 2021 18:00:33 GMT
JUST bought from Saskatoon Stamp Centre Not my 1st #35 (Unitrade) 1ç yellow but my 1st MNH-VF #35 My 1st # 26 *Unitrade) 5ç olive green vert mesh Used F-VF (scan is the stamp not arrived) 11.5X12 - I do have a rarer 12X12 Not arrived so here is an example of the 35but not a MNH-VF !! and scan of the 26
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Post by hdm1950 on Jun 14, 2021 21:18:03 GMT
Today's mail brought these 3 stamps. With my travels wings clipped during COVID I decided to treat myself and bid a bit more aggressively on these important Canadian stamps. Canada 1851 #1 Laid Paper $3.00 Jubilee #63 I have been waiting for a mint copy but decided that in these high values that I can live with used copies. $5.00 Jubilee #65 Once again I have decided I can live with a used copy. The only Jubilee I am missing now is the $4.00.
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Post by jimjung on Jun 25, 2021 13:06:14 GMT
Beryllium Guy - I forgot to reply to your question on whether I measured it using a perf gauge. I had done it on a printed perf gauge about 6-8 months back, it did measure 12.5 x 12.5 or maybe I must have made a mistake. I have since lost the original file and can't find the printout too. I do have scans of other gauges but which don't seem to printing correctly. Also, I have been in the process of developing a perf gauge since the SG Instanta has been discontinued (grab many before it goes out of stock 😂😂) Maybe if I manage to get the measurements correct I will distribute it to members here, let's see.... It's possible this could be a perf 12.25
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REL1948
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Post by REL1948 on Jul 7, 2021 19:29:59 GMT
I was perusing the Canada archives and didn't see any complete sets of KGV Admirals (I could easily have missed them like so many things in the archives?) so I thought I would share my collection of King George V issues. I have not included any coils, panes or War Tax issues (they were sold awhile ago and sadly, I never scanned them).
Rob
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renden
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Post by renden on Jul 7, 2021 19:34:06 GMT
ROB REL1948Always a feast to see those classics on page - I have only shown 1 or 2 out of laziness Yours are A+ Thanks ! René
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REL1948
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Post by REL1948 on Jul 7, 2021 19:53:02 GMT
Thank you Rene, I've seen many of your previous posts in the archives. You have a wealth of classic Canadian material out there. Very Nice.
I have a lot of Queens but only a single set from the cents issue (minus number 16 of course). Rob
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