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Post by DK on Mar 5, 2022 20:50:47 GMT
Great question randyt Not one I have seriously looked into before as the 1898 6d green 'kiwi' shades appear all very similar at first glance. SG lists 2 shades:SG254 green (to deep green) SG254a grass green CP lists 3 shades:CP E14a (1) green
CP E14a (2) deep greenCP E14a (3) grass green
Now, I will assume (very dangerous to do!) that the grass green shade has a yellow component to the green color.
Green means dark green, with a lighter and a darker range of shades (all very subtle).
To my eye they are all relatively similar with a casual glance, but, some do exhibit more yellow than others.
I have about 25 1898 'London' copies and have chosen the 3 that, as far as I can tell, exhibit green, deep green & yellowish (grass) green
 NB I am most happy to stand corrected here :-) As an aside to this, in 1899 the NZ Government used new plates from those used in London to print the first of the 'local' prints. SG264 or CP E14b The shades of green and yellow green are more apparant.  Great question randyt . You have made me go and take a closer look at my copies. Dave |
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Post by randyt on Mar 5, 2022 21:08:10 GMT
Just wait until we get to the 8p Maori War Canoe value. Scott, unlike SG and Michel, lists a third shade that they call simply "blue". Can't find it in any online auctions either.  What does CP show for the 8p London print? Scott and SG agree on the two shades that they both call indigo and Prussian blue. Michel only shows one shade- dunkelblau. |
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Post by DK on Mar 5, 2022 21:24:42 GMT
What does CP show for the 8p London print? To be quick about this I have just scanned the relevant page from my old copy of the CP Catalog for you :-) It should be helpful to you hopefully ....  Dave |
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Post by otira on Jul 15, 2022 20:13:57 GMT
Now that it's very quite in this New Zealand 1898-1908 section I would like to give it a boost. Not only as its my favorite New Zealand stamp section I would like to see as many fine used with clear dates. Specially the 2.5d. Wakitipu and 2.5d. Wakatipu. So here is a 2,5d.Wakitipu cancelled on the first day at Timaru on 5 AP 98. Not many used on the first day known and so far I am informed this item cancelled at Timaru unknown.  |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 15, 2022 20:59:34 GMT
that's a lovely colour and desirable stamp otira - well done. Regret I'm completely out of such rarities in landscape format, but not wishing to let the side down am attaching three pictorials from the time line you mention. They are small, but these things are worth looking at in detail for their artistic merit - they are v. attractive. Date wise, from the left they are '99, '00 and '99 ........... colours are great too, though appreciate the postmarks are mainly illegible on the screen. Hope of some interest. BTW, are these kiwi's unique in having the u/c D over the value figure, do you know?  |
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 22:39:04 GMT
I am not sure Paul. I cannot imagine that NZ was the only issuer in the world to have used the uppercase D over number for the value. Interesting quest for people. But, I certainly agree that the 1d 1898 'Lake Taupo' value is a lovely design. Particulary with the 'London' print. This was New Zealands first 'bi-colored' postage stamp :  Dave |
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 22:53:42 GMT
A lovely copy of the 1898 'London' print 'Wakitipu' otiraA rare 1st day of issue pmk of 5 April 1898 too. well done :-) Not only as its my favorite New Zealand stamp section I would like to see as many fine used with clear dates. Specially the 2.5d. Wakitipu and 2.5d. Wakatipu. Here are a few clearly dated examples of the 1898 'Wakatipu' as requested :  Dave |
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 23:27:19 GMT
And one last lot for today .... Nice VFU CDS of the London print 'Wakatipu's' :  Dave |
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Post by otira on Jul 16, 2022 19:35:19 GMT
Hi Dave, lovely items as I do collect these with full town names and dates. I will add a pair of the Lake Wakatipu's cancelled Lakeside 16 MR 02?  |
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Post by DK on Jul 16, 2022 21:59:09 GMT
Nice pair of the 2½d 'local' print there otira FYI LakesideChristchurch Postal District 1st June 1878 - 9th June 1924 Rated a '6' by Wooders Dave |
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Post by DK on Jul 23, 2022 0:54:11 GMT
Here is an 1898 Pictorial 'Wakitipu' for sale on Trademe currently. The seller wants NZ$350.00 for it as a BIN - or starting at NZ$300.00 as an auction, no reserve! What do you guys think of that pricing?  Dave |
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 23, 2022 1:15:52 GMT
DK I think the seller has added an extra 0 on the 350.00 and 300.00  . Asking and getting are 2 different things. Is it a rare postmark?
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 23, 2022 1:19:25 GMT
Just checking SG and Scott's. It is a great example with nice cancel! His prices though see top of the line, not a starting point, if you ask me...
On checking Scott's, they use WAKATIPU for both varieties.
Peter
On another note: renewal notice came up this week for the RNZPS. I'm passing as I didn't get much of anything out of it.
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Post by DK on Jul 23, 2022 1:24:53 GMT
DK I think the seller has added an extra 0 on the 350.00 and 300.00 . Asking and getting are 2 different things. Is it a rare postmark? It is a 1st day of issue postmark. Reasonably uncommon - but NZ$350.00 (@ US$215) !? otira has one shown a few posts back here .... Dave |
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Post by DK on Jul 23, 2022 1:28:17 GMT
On another note: renewal notice came up this week for the RNZPS. I'm passing as I didn't get much of anything out of it. I renewed mine Pete. Its only NZ$69 - I like the quarterly publication they send out "The New Zealand Stamp Collector" - very interesting articles usually - Zoom Meetings - A good library - Discounts on certificates - etc etc So good value for me. Dave |
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 23, 2022 13:28:07 GMT
I just received one copy, better for you there in country, not so much here in Canada.
I'm trimming expenses nowadays and some things just have to go!
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Post by otira on Jul 30, 2022 19:14:05 GMT
DK I think the seller has added an extra 0 on the 350.00 and 300.00 . Asking and getting are 2 different things. Is it a rare postmark? It is a 1st day of issue postmark. Reasonably uncommon - but NZ$350.00 (@ US$215) !? otira has one shown a few posts back here .... Dave Definately to much asked for this 1898 April 5th Wakitipu. I offered N$ 200,- but he declined my offer. Then he raised his price from N$ 250,- to N$ 300,- / NS 350,- !? |
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Post by otira on Jul 30, 2022 19:25:17 GMT
Although information is available on internet; who can tell me more about this cancel, S.S TAIF Khedivial Mail line. Unfortunately the date is missing. Any other New Zealand stamps spotted with this cancel? Black text could be Changi???  xt |
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Post by DK on Jul 30, 2022 21:56:45 GMT
Although information is available on internet; who can tell me more about this cancel, S.S TAIF Khedivial Mail line. I hadn't heard of, or seen, anything of this Shipping Line before today - so thankyou for sharing this. As you say, there is info on the Internet and this what it says of this line: The Ships ListKhedivial Mail LineThe original name of the company is unknown but it is thought that it was founded in 1858. The Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Co. was formed in 1898 to operate ships and docks owned by various departments of the Egyptian Government, but little is known of the early years of the company or it's ships. The new fleet was registered under the British flag and operated passenger and cargo services between Alexandria, Constantinople and Syrian ports and between Suez and Red Sea ports. Later services were extended to Piraeus, Malta, Marseille and Cyprus. P & O Line took control of the company between 1919 and 1924. In 1936 the company was re-formed in Alexandria as Pharaonic Mail Line and in 1941 was changed to Khedivial Mail Line. Services from the Mediterranean to Boston and New York started in 1948 and from 1951 calls were often made at Charleston, Philadelphia and Baltimore. A Port Said - Bombay - Karachi service started in 1953. In 1961 all Egyptian shipping lines were nationalised and became part of United Arab Maritime Co. who discontinued New York sailings, but for a time made passenger and cargo sailings to Canada until 1965.The stamp you show the cancellation on was 1st printed in 1906 - so the date that this travelled would be from 1906 on presumably .... It would have experienced quite the journey to get to its intended destination in the Northern Hemisphere somewhere.  Dave |
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Post by otira on Jul 30, 2022 22:30:30 GMT
Although information is available on internet; who can tell me more about this cancel, S.S TAIF Khedivial Mail line. I hadn't heard of, or seen, anything of this Shipping Line before today - so thankyou for sharing this. As you say, there is info on the Internet and this what it says of this line: The Ships ListKhedivial Mail LineThe original name of the company is unknown but it is thought that it was founded in 1858. The Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Co. was formed in 1898 to operate ships and docks owned by various departments of the Egyptian Government, but little is known of the early years of the company or it's ships. The new fleet was registered under the British flag and operated passenger and cargo services between Alexandria, Constantinople and Syrian ports and between Suez and Red Sea ports. Later services were extended to Piraeus, Malta, Marseille and Cyprus. P & O Line took control of the company between 1919 and 1924. In 1936 the company was re-formed in Alexandria as Pharaonic Mail Line and in 1941 was changed to Khedivial Mail Line. Services from the Mediterranean to Boston and New York started in 1948 and from 1951 calls were often made at Charleston, Philadelphia and Baltimore. A Port Said - Bombay - Karachi service started in 1953. In 1961 all Egyptian shipping lines were nationalised and became part of United Arab Maritime Co. who discontinued New York sailings, but for a time made passenger and cargo sailings to Canada until 1965.The stamp you show the cancellation on was 1st printed in 1906 - so the date that this travelled would be from 1906 on presumably .... It would have experienced quite the journey to get to its intended destination in the Northern Hemisphere somewhere. Dave Thank you Dave for adding this information and the very nice cover. |
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Post by otira on Aug 1, 2022 20:25:45 GMT
Today a nice envelope with a 1898 Pictorial 2,5d.Wakatipu stamp to St Louis MO, The C.E. Hussman Stamp Co. Nice illustrated item and a pleasure to see that even in the early days stamp collection happened all over the world. More items shown on internet to St Louis MO, The C.E. Hussman Stamp Co. Unfortunately the town and date are unclear. WH..... 24 AP 12 ?   |
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Post by otira on Aug 6, 2022 18:48:46 GMT
Sorting and scanning some stamps tonight. thought this might be a nice one to share.
1898 Wakitipu issued on April 5th 1898 cancelled at Sydney AP 29 98.  |
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Post by otira on Dec 19, 2022 19:16:22 GMT
 Last post Aug 6th 2022 so its time to give this section a boost. My favorite the 1898 Wakitipu early used. Cancelled second day of issue 6 AP 98 Tapanui. |
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Post by DK on Sept 15, 2023 0:53:29 GMT
That 6 AP 98 cancel is great otira. 1 day after release date :-) Dave |
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Post by DK on Sept 15, 2023 1:06:14 GMT
I saw this stamp on Trademe recently. It was advertised as SG269 - the normal thick Pirie paper, no wmk p11 of 1899. It is in fact SG269a - Jan 1903 provisional printing on ' laid' paper ,p11 no wmk. Note the vertical lines on the back of the stamp, typical of ' laid' paper.   Dave |
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Post by nzgrant on Dec 20, 2023 21:35:16 GMT
Colour changelings appear quite often with the 1898 Pictorials for some reason. I got the one on the top left recently, mainly for the postmark (Island Cliff, A6) but also for the colour. The attached photo gives a good contrast with the 3 shades for E6a (dull violet, mauve, purple) in my collection. I saw another "blue" E6a on TradeMe recently so there are probably a few about.  |
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Post by DK on Dec 21, 2023 20:06:28 GMT
The 'bluish' colored one there Grant is a color changeling, as you say. Probably chemical or environmentally altered - in the sun too long etc.
But a very nice 'A' class cancel for 'Island Cliff'.
Island Cliff
Oamaru Postal District
Opened 22-9-1897
Closed 31-05-1927
Wooders rated a 6 for scarcity.
Nice one!
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Post by nzgrant on Dec 31, 2023 1:50:00 GMT
I got this Wakatipu pair out of an old stamp album containing mint 1898 Pictorials. The pages were cardboard, with many of the stamps stuck to the pages, making removal problematic. Many ended up MNG. This one survived as HM, albeit not in great condition. Anyway, what puzzles me is the two vertical columns of perforations. If it is a double perforation example, it shows up in CP as E8b (Z), p11, NWM, cat $500. The question is whether it is a genuine double perforation or has been fabricated by someone putting holes to the left of the original column. These holes are smaller than the others making it look a bit odd. Any thoughts?   |
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Post by rod222 on Dec 31, 2023 2:10:13 GMT
I got this Wakatipu pair out of an old stamp album containing mint 1898 Pictorials. The pages were cardboard, with many of the stamps stuck to the pages, making removal problematic. Many ended up MNG. This one survived as HM, albeit not in great condition. Anyway, what puzzles me is the two vertical columns of perforations. If it is a double perforation example, it shows up in CP as E8b (Z), p11, NWM, cat $500. The question is whether it is a genuine double perforation or has been fabricated by someone putting holes to the left of the original column. These holes are smaller than the others making it look a bit odd. Any thoughts? Thoughts only A couple of examples of "Mixed Perfs" ? Spink The horizontal perfs look smaller  Philatelic database link |
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 31, 2023 2:12:39 GMT
nzgrant I am no expert on these but by looking at the centring of the one on the right I think the smaller perforation is the original. The roughness of the outside edges of both stamp would suggest that as well. The larger holes look too perfect.
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What does CP show for the 8p London print?
. Asking and getting are 2 different things. Is it a rare postmark? 
