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Post by skid on Feb 6, 2021 16:51:16 GMT
The New Zealand 1898-1908 Pictorials is an interesting group of stamps, so I thought I would start a new thread on these issues. Show us your interesting stamps. Here is a nice one I have. A 2 /- with a beautiful offset. Unfortunately, it was fiscally used. Anyone else seen a 2 /- with a full offset like this? Regards, Skid
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 19:18:31 GMT
Hi Skid
You beat me to starting a thread on the 1898 Pictorials. Well done you :-)
That is a fine example of a full offset. It's a beauty.
I do not own such a beast so will need to keep my eyes open for one now. Lovely.
Dave
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Post by skid on Feb 6, 2021 19:44:20 GMT
Sorry about that Dave. Your intros to threads are always very informative. So feel free to add one here.
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 20:35:10 GMT
"In 1895, the New Zealand Post Office opened a competition for a new issue stating that the designs should show "New Zealand scenery or genre". The aim was to publicize New Zealand and, to ensure that they would be of high quality, they were to be recess printed rather than produced by the cheaper method of surface printing used in the first and second side-faces.
They were issued in 1898 when to issue pictorial definitive stamps without the monarch's head was unusual.
The plates were engraved by Waterlow and the first printings were by them in London. The stamps were printed on paper with no watermark and issued in New Zealand on 5 April, 1898. Various perforating machines were used and the stamps are usually described as being Perf 12 to 16."The NZ Society of Great Britain have a great website showing and describing all of NZs issues. Follow this link to the 1898 Pictorial set : www.nzstamps.org.uk/firstpicts/index.htmlUse the 'next' arrow at the bottom of each page to scroll thru'. Enjoy! Dave
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 20:48:39 GMT
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 20:55:21 GMT
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 21:03:43 GMT
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 21:11:50 GMT
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 21:18:22 GMT
Officials were used by Government Departments: Dave
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 21:30:38 GMT
And the 'Reduced' size pictorials of 1907-08: Dave
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Post by DK on Feb 6, 2021 21:36:26 GMT
and the last of this 1898 Pictorials series : Dave
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Post by DK on Jun 20, 2021 0:21:28 GMT
While going through some ½d greens (flyspecking) I came across this one : SG382 p14x15 (comb) - 1907 ½d yellow-green Note the date - 3 MY 60 Quite obviously the postal clerk has inserted the year part of the date slug upside down. It should of course be 3 MY 09 Dave
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Post by DK on Oct 16, 2021 21:37:06 GMT
Here is an interesting lot in the upcoming Auckland City Stamps Public Auction 21 - November 13, 2021 ACS Public Auction 21Lot 565The basic stamp is quite common - worth a few dollars only if in good condition used - more if mint and even more if UNH - but used, no biggie ! So why is this one rare? CP states: "No explanation has ever been given for the appearance of the above stamp. It is on paper similar to that used for late issues of Queen Victoria Sideface issues, having a space of 7mm between the watermark letters "NZ & the star. Only a few used copies have ever been found."So, it is the watermark that makes this one rare. The 'normal' watermark is, and should be, W7a or W7b - single NZ & star, sideways or sideways inverted. CP W7a / W7b
But, the 'abnormal' wmk - this error issue - is W4 - NZ & Star upright 7mm between NZ & star CP W4 7mm
I have been thru' all of my copies of this one, around a hundred or so!, and no joy for me. Has anyone else found one? Let us know and show us if so :-) Dave NB: CP W7 = SG W43 "Single" wmk CP W4 = SG W12b 7mm between NZ & star
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Post by tundrawolf on Oct 25, 2021 23:28:59 GMT
I found this one in a mixed lot some years ago now. Not a great example but they are rare. I no longer own it. Philip
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Post by DK on Oct 27, 2021 5:55:30 GMT
Nice one Philip.
I will certainly be keeping an eye out for it in future.
It will be interesting to see how the one in the next ACS Public Auction sells for ....
Dave
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Post by otira on Nov 7, 2021 18:35:21 GMT
A question that gives me sleepless night so mayby someone out on the forem can help me.
The 1898 Pictorial 2,5d. Wakitipu was issued on April 5th 1898 but incorrectly spelt WAKITIPU as we probably know.2.5d.
To correct the mistake the 1898 Pictorial 2.5d. Wakatipu was issued.
I would like to know what was the date this stamp was available and who has the 2.5d. Wakatipu used with a clear date?
Every scan is more than welcome.
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 7, 2021 19:33:16 GMT
A question that gives me sleepless night so mayby someone out on the forem can help me. The 1898 Pictorial 2,5d. Wakitipu was issued on April 5th 1898 but incorrectly spelt WAKITIPU as we probably know.2.5d. To correct the mistake the 1898 Pictorial 2.5d. Wakatipu was issued. I would like to know what was the date this stamp was available and who has the 2.5d. Wakatipu used with a clear date? Every scan is more than welcome. I just have the one from the initial introduction with the proper spelling but sadly the month is not super clear but I can make out the 99.
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Post by otira on Nov 7, 2021 22:05:47 GMT
A question that gives me sleepless night so mayby someone out on the forem can help me. The 1898 Pictorial 2,5d. Wakitipu was issued on April 5th 1898 but incorrectly spelt WAKITIPU as we probably know.2.5d. To correct the mistake the 1898 Pictorial 2.5d. Wakatipu was issued. I would like to know what was the date this stamp was available and who has the 2.5d. Wakatipu used with a clear date? Every scan is more than welcome. I just have the one from the initial introduction with the proper spelling but sadly the month is not super clear but I can make out the 99. Looks like 12 MY 1899. Thank you for your reply.
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Post by DK on Nov 8, 2021 0:31:12 GMT
A question that gives me sleepless night so mayby someone out on the forem can help me. The 1898 Pictorial 2,5d. Wakitipu was issued on April 5th 1898 but incorrectly spelt WAKITIPU as we probably know.2.5d. To correct the mistake the 1898 Pictorial 2.5d. Wakatipu was issued. I would like to know what was the date this stamp was available and who has the 2.5d. Wakatipu used with a clear date? Every scan is more than welcome. The above posts were moved here from the 'Socked on the Nose' SON cancels thread. Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 8, 2021 7:23:14 GMT
Michael
Here is what the Campbell Paterson (CP) catalogue says of the 2½d Wakitipu / Wakatipu :
Wakitipu
April 5 1898 'London' print - error of spelling, later corrected.
New Zealand's best known 'error' stamp - the name of the lake being mis-spelt. It caused considerable interest when issued and further printings were made to satisfy the purely philatelic and speculative demand. The consequence was that in its mint form the error is commoner than the correct spelling. Most of those bought were retained unused and genuinely used copies are not common.
Wakatipu
May 5 1898 'London' print - "Wakatipu" spelt correctly.
The plate with the correct spelling of "Wakatipu" was made hurriedly after the error was discovered. The urgency of the job was very possibly the reason behind the occurance of so many quite notable plate varieties. Some sixteen are known .....
Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 8, 2021 7:58:19 GMT
And here are a few examples of the two spellings of Wakatipu : 1898 2½d Wakitipu5 Apr 1898 1898 2½d Wakatipu5 May 1898 Dave
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 8, 2021 12:44:48 GMT
Michael Here is what the Campbell Paterson (CP) catalogue says of the 2½d Wakitipu / Wakatipu : WakitipuApril 5 1898 'London' print - error of spelling, later corrected. New Zealand's best known 'error' stamp - the name of the lake being mis-spelt. It caused considerable interest when issued and further printings were made to satisfy the purely philatelic and speculative demand. The consequence was that in its mint form the error is commoner than the correct spelling. Most of those bought were retained unused and genuinely used copies are not common. WakatipuMay 5 1898 'London' print - "Wakatipu" spelt correctly. The plate with the correct spelling of "Wakatipu" was made hurriedly after the error was discovered. The urgency of the job was very possibly the reason behind the occurance of so many quite notable plate varieties. Some sixteen are known ..... Dave With your explanation Dave I become suspect that the Wakitipu stamp I shared on paper with the New Plymouth cancel may have been a philatelic creation due to how precise the cancel was applied to not hide the spelling error. One will never know but it is a thought.
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Post by otira on Nov 8, 2021 19:45:38 GMT
And here are a few examples of the two spellings of Wakatipu : 1898 2½d Wakitipu5 Apr 1898 1898 2½d Wakatipu5 May 1898 Dave Thank you Dave, Earliest just Wakatipu with date so far is the WOODVILLE dated 28 JE 1898 or is it 28 JL 1898?
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Post by DK on Nov 10, 2021 2:47:06 GMT
With your explanation Dave I become suspect that the Wakitipu stamp I shared on paper with the New Plymouth cancel may have been a philatelic creation due to how precise the cancel was applied to not hide the spelling error. One will never know but it is a thought. Yes it could be. It is certainly a finely placed postmark to be right up against the word 'Wakitipu'. And the impression is very clear. I would say 'not a coincidence' also. Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 10, 2021 2:50:43 GMT
Earliest just Wakatipu with date so far is the WOODVILLE dated 28 JE 1898 or is it 28 JL 1898? The 1st stamp looks to be JE 98 - so definitely June 1898. The 2nd stamp looks like it may be either JE or JL. I shall run it thru' Retroreveal this weekend and hopefully prove it one way or the other. I will also take another look thru' my books for dates on the Wakatipu stamps. It seems as though June something 1898 is the one to beat so far! Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 12, 2021 21:18:55 GMT
Here is that Woodville dated Wakatipu Michael. Quite clearly it is 28 JE 98 - so Retroreveal not required for this one. That is still about 7 weeks after the official release date published so there must be earlier examples out there ! But for now, on this board, the one to beat ..... Dave
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Post by skid on Nov 15, 2021 15:54:07 GMT
Here is an interesting lot in the upcoming Auckland City Stamps Public Auction 21 - November 13, 2021 ACS Public Auction 21Lot 565It sold for $3050.
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DK
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Post by DK on Nov 15, 2021 23:28:30 GMT
NZ$3050 + 12.5% buyers premium (if in the room) or 15.5% Buyers Premium (if online) + 15% gst on BP if bought by a New Zealand bidder. Now to get looking thru' your 1/- Kea & Kaka stamps. Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 16, 2021 2:24:06 GMT
Here is the 2d from the 'London' set of 1898 - SG248 CP E5a (1) (2). There are 2 listed shades in CP - Brown-lake & Rosy-lake SG also lists 2 shades - Lake & Rosy lake These are the 2 shades (along with a 3rd one I have - Deep Rosy-lake): Another one I have found here, is what appears to be a guideline along the top of the frame : Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 17, 2021 22:19:13 GMT
The 1d Lake Taupo "London" 1898 Pictorial was New Zealands first bi-colored postage stamp. SG247 CP E2a (1) (2) (3)SG lists it with 2 shades - Blue and Yellow-brown / Blue and Brown CP lists it with 3 shades - Blue and Yellow-brown / Blue and Chestnut / Blue and Chocolate brown Below are the shades in CP's order as above: Dave
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