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hdm1950
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Posts: 1,887 
What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 3, 2024 17:08:59 GMT
I'm slowly working my way through the large numbers of stamps that are in glassine envelopes among my dad's philatelic materials. Some envelopes contain stamps sorted by country, but many contain unsorted mixtures. In the mixed assortment from an envelope that I opened yesterday were these two stamps that I have been unable to decipher. A Google Image Search suggests they are somehow associated with (perhaps!) Soviet-occupied East Saxony (Germany?), but I have been unable to find them in any volume of the Scott online catalogue so far searched (Germany, German Democratic Republic, Russia, Poland). Any help will be greatly appreciated. They do list in Scott as East Saxony under German occupation. The grey one is 15N3a and the brown is 15N16. |
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doug534
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A new enthusiast leaning to pre-1957 Aden, New Zealand, Switzerland, great designers & engravers
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Post by doug534 on Oct 3, 2024 17:45:31 GMT
I'm slowly working my way through the large numbers of stamps that are in glassine envelopes among my dad's philatelic materials. Some envelopes contain stamps sorted by country, but many contain unsorted mixtures. In the mixed assortment from an envelope that I opened yesterday were these two stamps that I have been unable to decipher. A Google Image Search suggests they are somehow associated with (perhaps!) Soviet-occupied East Saxony (Germany?), but I have been unable to find them in any volume of the Scott online catalogue so far searched (Germany, German Democratic Republic, Russia, Poland). Any help will be greatly appreciated. They do list in Scott as East Saxony under German occupation. The grey one is 15N3a and the brown is 15N16. In the Scott online world-wide catalog, the volume "German Occupation Stamps" ends with the "9N..." listings. Are these "15N..." stamps in a specialized Scott catalogue? |
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doug534
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A new enthusiast leaning to pre-1957 Aden, New Zealand, Switzerland, great designers & engravers
Posts: 168
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Post by doug534 on Oct 3, 2024 17:50:32 GMT
They do list in Scott as East Saxony under German occupation. The grey one is 15N3a and the brown is 15N16. In the Scott online world-wide catalog, the volume "German Occupation Stamps" ends with the "9N..." listings. Are these "15N..." stamps in a specialized Scott catalogue? FOUND THEM!! The stamps are in Scott's "German Democratic Republic" volume in the digital catalogue. Thanks all! |
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Post by Statesman Stamper on Oct 3, 2024 18:12:33 GMT
You'll find East Saxony listed after the German Democratic Republic (DDR) listings in Volume 3 of Scott. The prefix is 15N.
Dale
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Hugh
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Posts: 745
What I collect: Worldwide Occupation Stamps and Postal History; and, anything that looks interesting.
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Post by Hugh on Oct 3, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
I'm slowly working my way through the large numbers of stamps that are in glassine envelopes among my dad's philatelic materials. Some envelopes contain stamps sorted by country, but many contain unsorted mixtures. In the mixed assortment from an envelope that I opened yesterday were these two stamps that I have been unable to decipher. A Google Image Search suggests they are somehow associated with (perhaps!) Soviet-occupied East Saxony (Germany?), but I have been unable to find them in any volume of the Scott online catalogue so far searched (Germany, German Democratic Republic, Russia, Poland). Any help will be greatly appreciated. Hi Doug ... franoise has already IDd the stamps ... but, just in case you find it of any use, since you're doing so much catalogue work, there are two tools you might want to add to your kit. One is an app called Stamp Identifier (available in the app store). It's linked to Colnect and if you take a photo of any stamp, crop it close to the perfs, and upload it in the app (all of which just takes a few seconds once you're used to it) it does an amazing job with most stamps, Cinderellas, revenues and the like. It will give you basic info (like country and catalogue number) and, if you wish, it can transfer you to Colnect for more information. You may already know this ... so, I apologise if I'm saying the obvious. But, it's something I use everyday and have found it to be invaluable. Second, for German Occupation Stamps during and after WW2, one of the best catalogues (IMO) is the Michel Germany Specialized Catalogue. Most Michel catalogues are in German. However, this one is available in English. It covers German occupation issues during the war, Local issues in 1945 during the chaos and Allied occupation issues. It also covers field post and war and propaganda forgeries - 504 pages in all. WELL worth adding to your library. Here, just as an example, is what it says about your East Saxony 3Pf stamp (Mi.Nr. 56). Just so you can see the value of a specialized listing, I've also added an entry for the earlier version of this stamp (Mi.Nr. 51) - Notice the difference in the shape of the '3'.   |
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drblade
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What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Oct 5, 2024 17:08:18 GMT
Just got back from my local stamp auction. I actually won the lot I wanted after the viewing yesterday. Mainly Machin stamps pre-decimal & decimal. A few interesting ones in there along with some booklets. I will post about some of them in the appropriate thread as soon as I can get stuck into sorting & identifying each one.  Happy days?? |
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cursus
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Posts: 2,011
What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Oct 7, 2024 19:08:04 GMT
I've been going to the Sunday stamp market, without too much luck, buying a few Scandinavian stamps and two cinderellas (already shown) unknown to me. On Friday, I went to the Barnafil stamp fair, quite lively and bought 5 cinderellas, from previous (1998 & 2002) editions of the fair, as well as a Swiss cover. I've won 3 used Swiss mini-sheets on e-bay and 12 used Norway, Iceland and Greenland stamps. I've also been able to buy an specialised Facit Scandinavian catalog (2008), as new, for a reasonable price. It has a lot of information on Nordic countries philately and postal history. It's bilingual Swedish/English, so, I can understand it. I hope it will be a useful tool to improve my collections of these countries.
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madbaker
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Posts: 802
What I collect: (Mark) General worldwide collector (to 1975 or so) with a soft spot for Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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Post by madbaker on Oct 7, 2024 19:30:34 GMT
cursus, I'm a huge fan of the Facit catalogue. I hope you enjoy using your new copy!
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 7, 2024 22:04:06 GMT
To avoid too much eye strain I'm splitting time between scanning for color analysis, sorting stamps and trying to get a handle on a computer coding language.
I am awaiting a couple of items won at auction to arrive, but they are both small lots, so once here, they will not take a great deal of time to go through and decide if they fill a void, or represent an upgrade.
Since October 1st, we've had daily high temps in the low 100's (when will iyt end?) so time is limited outside for yard/garden maintenance (or golf)
But basketball season starts this week!!!!!!!
Keep on stamp'in!
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Post by Statesman Stamper on Oct 7, 2024 23:12:40 GMT
Most of my stamping activity lately has been fairly passive, mostly keeping up on posts in this and a couple other forums as well as revisiting some older threads discussing aspects of worldwide collecting.
Back in January I injured my left elbow and developed nerve issues with two of the main nerves that run through the arm. In late June I had surgery to relieve compression on them in my hand and elbow. All was going well initially, but somehow I managed to injure the third main nerve and developed something known as "wrist drop". For the past three months I've had to wear a splint on my left forearm to keep my wrist from moving, while I wait for any sign of function to return. I had a nerve/muscle test last week and see the doctor tomorrow to discuss the results and next steps (likely an MRI of the left shoulder where the nerves run out of the neck and into the arm). Being left handed, it's been a "fun" few months.
That said, having grown up in a mostly right handed world, I'm at least able to do some stuff. For the past few days I've been going through a kilo mix I picked up on eBay a few weeks ago. It was sold as a 15 ounce world mix, but it's unlike any kiloware I've been through before. Rather than tons of small, common definitives this seems more like a bunch of single country groupings tossed together in a gallon ziploc bag. The heaviest countries are Australia, China/PRC, Greece, India, and Turkey, with nice groupings of Azerbaijan and Spain (ATM issues). A conservative estimate would see this adding at least a thousand stamps to my collection, possibly more. While much of the Australia and Turkey will be dupes, the others won't be. I picked up a couple similar style mixes from the same seller. I'm looking forward to getting to those eventually.
So while I'm not able to do everything I'd like to, I can at least work a pair of tongs and do some sorting, albeit slowly. But sometimes small victories are nice. 
Dale
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Londonbus1
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Cinderella Stamp Club Member 3059
Posts: 5,064
What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 9, 2024 14:11:38 GMT
With lots of problems on the city streets here and missiles reaching Tel Aviv and just North of us, my family successfully put me off going to the monthly bourse in the City yesterday. I didn't take much persuading !! So I spent some time looking through 10 old albums that a neighbour had given me to value and keep, should I want to. I first told her that I would check for value. Sadly, the albums are old, schoolboy type pretty dirty and damaged and sadly neglected. But the big surprise is that, though the stamps don't have much value, they are nearly all in very good condition. Hardly any toned or dirty stamps at all which is unusual for this type of collection here. So I am sorting them with a view to taking them to a future bourse to give to the schoolkids that come in looking for cheaper items. They will be pleased with freebies !! I also continued to get ready my collection of British Philatelic Exhibition material for selling. I will be taking three albums to the next bourse where at least two oddball collectors are waiting to see it !  From there it will go online but not until the postal service returns to something like normal. It has been frustrating not knowing to sell or buy with the situation as it is. Now my thoughts should return to that Cape of Good Hope pair............ Londonbus1 |
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archicruz
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Hi all, I'm in Portland. OR area
Posts: 12
What I collect: ROC China, Washington/Franklins, French & Italian colonies, only mint
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Post by archicruz on Oct 9, 2024 15:59:51 GMT
These days I'm mostly working on China (ROC), getting a handle on overprints. (ImageSleuth works great!). Also working on Washington/Franklins - lots to learn there! Today I also looked at this very special (to me) cigarette tax that I thought some would like. My dad was a Flying Tiger in China near the end of WWII. This tax paid receipt was for a pack of cigs he bought in Cairo on his way over the hump to Chikiang. It's dated April 2, 1945. He was shot down on July 27, 1945, captured but rescued, so I'm quite lucky to be here at all. He started me on stamps when I was 5!  |
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archicruz
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Hi all, I'm in Portland. OR area
Posts: 12
What I collect: ROC China, Washington/Franklins, French & Italian colonies, only mint
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Post by archicruz on Oct 9, 2024 16:01:20 GMT
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madbaker
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Posts: 802
What I collect: (Mark) General worldwide collector (to 1975 or so) with a soft spot for Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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Post by madbaker on Oct 10, 2024 22:33:02 GMT
I was a good boy all week, until our club's coffee meetup yesterday. 
When I had the bakery, my day was driven by timers. Timers to mix, timers to check dough, timers to check the oven. It was an interesting time because I learned how much I could get done in one minute. If there was a minute left on a timer, I could usually get at least one task done before I had to shut off the alarm. Today I tried it with stamps.
The club received a donation of a medium sized box of Belgium stamps, off paper. It's a real mess; mostly common, many damaged, from 1890 - 1980. It was impossible to check anything in the box so out it went on my dining room table for a rough sort.
I set the timer for an hour and started sorting. A first pass, with piles by king or design type. Bearded kings get a pile, Albert gets a pile, Albert in a hat gets a separate pile, that kind of thing. Clearly this is a collector's 'seconds' but I might find some postmarks or a fill a couple of spaces. But the huge majority will go back to the club, sorted into envelopes. Anyway, back to my test case. Once I got over the trauma of dealing with stamps that have been folded in three pieces, I got into a rhythm and made a good dent in the pile. I figure I'm at least 15% through it, and possibly 25%. 4-6 hours to go, I bet. Here's a pic of the mess at the start:  And after an hour:  |
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rod222
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
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Post by rod222 on Oct 10, 2024 22:49:10 GMT
madbaker I'd assess that at 2-3 hours tops My regime would be sort by value into loose piles (theory there is values often follow a date issuance ) Then by years into envelopes My Belgium is fairly advanced, so I probably would just sift and separate for Postmarks, Precancels, Perfins, Railways, and unusuals then bag the rest for donation.
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madbaker
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Posts: 802
What I collect: (Mark) General worldwide collector (to 1975 or so) with a soft spot for Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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Post by madbaker on Oct 11, 2024 3:01:30 GMT
madbaker I'd assess that at 2-3 hours tops My regime would be sort by value into loose piles (theory there is values often follow a date issuance ) Then by years into envelopes My Belgium is fairly advanced, so I probably would just sift and separate for Postmarks, Precancels, Perfins, Railways, and unusuals then bag the rest for donation. You are the master for sure Rod. I agree with you. I am about half way through at 90 minutes. 😊 I'm putting each stack into envelopes then, just like you described, going to pick some nice cancels, etc. I don't really know much about the rail stamps and precancels, so now is my chance to learn, for sure. The vast majority will move on to the next person at the club. At least there will be a rough sort done for them. |
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rod222
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
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Post by rod222 on Oct 11, 2024 7:20:15 GMT
madbakerI don't really know much about the rail stamps and precancels, so now is my chance to learn, for sure.
You'll soon get accustomed I have tried every sort method, and find the envelopes the best, cheap, easy to box, and keeps piles off one's desk when sorting, everything neat and tidy and tucked away. The main characteristics   Happy Sorting !  (image g stephens)
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Hugh
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What I collect: Worldwide Occupation Stamps and Postal History; and, anything that looks interesting.
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Post by Hugh on Oct 11, 2024 14:42:01 GMT
Lots of energy at my local club meeting last night. We had a good club bourse and had four dealers in the back of the room. Also, a few people from a club from downriver (Cobourg) dropped in with lots of stuff that was left after their recent stamp show. I picked up some nice pairs with Han numbers and some interesting 19C covers from several of the German States as well as some material (probably bogus (smile) from the Russian Civil War in the east (it’s almost as much fun to study forgeries). I also got few more US APO covers from the postwar period, a few WWI era postcards, and some interesting German postmarks from the 30s and 40s rounded out the evening. A couple of guys gave me envelopes of occupation stamps they came across. Payback (just kidding), I suppose for giving them stuff at the last meeting (smile again). [One of our older members collects turtles on stamps … I never knew just how many turtles there are on stamps.]  We’re having our annual Fall Show and Sale on October 26th in Kingston. So we also did a bit of last minute allocation of jobs for that. All-in-all, a good meeting. This is a long weekend in Canada (our Thanksgiving) … so, I’m looking forward to having a few days to look through it all. |
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stanley64
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What I collect: Canada, USA, Netherlands, Portugal & Colonies, Antarctic Territories and anything that catches my eye...
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 12, 2024 9:44:05 GMT
Been busy keeping up with some of my bookmarked threads here on The Stamp Forum which includes "New Members", but on the desk sit several stock cards filled with stamps from the Netherlands featuring the various queens:
- Queen Wilhelmina
- Queen Juliana
- Queen Beatrix
Images to come and will be posted in the appropriate thread once the sorting is done...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Beryllium Guy
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Posts: 5,911
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 12, 2024 19:41:55 GMT
What Have I Been Stamping? Well....Greetings, everyone! It seems like forever since I last posted anything interesting here. Sorry about that. Work and other aspects of life have really been taking over lately, so not a great deal of stamping. I have mostly been tired (perhaps exhausted?) and on top of that, not sleeping well, which is really taking it out of me. All of that said, I have managed a couple of things: - Made progress on clearing returned trading material off my desk
- Finally packaged up stamps to send to Xavier (hrdoktorx), long overdue and temporarily forgotten (sorry, Dr. X) and took them to the PO
- Received and reviewed a new article for the next issue of the TSF Newsletter, thank you very much to David M Frye
I am also a baseball fan, and being that I am from Cleveland, I am watching a series-deciding game today, in which Cleveland is playing. They have a lead at the moment, but that is certainly not safe, so we shall see how it turns out. Still hoping to do today, perhaps a bit of soaking, which I often find therapeutic. My desk still needs a bit more tidying up. It's better than it was, but there are still stamp materials needing to be put away, at least for now. I also have trade material from a friend that I need to go through. Stay stampy, all!
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stainlessb
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qaStaHvIS yIn 'ej chep
Posts: 4,906
What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 15, 2024 23:03:57 GMT
I started the day by grabbing some examples of Python coding to establish spreadsheets for 'grabbing' data from. I have a number of 'samples to look at and decide what would work best for what I want to do (aka, close eyes and try one....). This quickly overwhelmed my brain so I changed to scanning for color analysis and paper types, in between a few outdoor chores (truly therapy) !
so basically, just another day at the stamp desk LOL
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vikingeck
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What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 16, 2024 20:14:35 GMT
I had a week of soaking a couple of thousand Thailand duplicates off envelope clippings. Posted several batches here, and on ebay at £5 -£7 per 300 different, and have now sold 5 lots of 300 and 2 of 200!
However I had less success with 350 GB PHQ postcards and 200 GB FDCs which I submitted to the local Auction rooms estimated at £40 and not sold 2 weeks ago, made a miserable £15 on today's relist > GB FDCs are just not selling there are too many around.
I have another 300 GB FDCs languishing in the doldrums of an inactive market , Looks like I'll be clipping and soaking to sell as "used" . The sheer weight of 300 FDCs with inserts means scary postage costs.
So if anyone has a wants list of Used GB off FDCs 1980-2015 I can do them cheap at 1/5 catalogue or less. PM me
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madbaker
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Posts: 802
What I collect: (Mark) General worldwide collector (to 1975 or so) with a soft spot for Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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Post by madbaker on Oct 19, 2024 16:10:12 GMT
Fun time in the old town last night! It was our club's fall 'mega auction' with nearly 200 lots up for offer. I kept myself occupied running lots between the auctioneer and the accountants, but still managed to buy six lots (?!) I'll show the good stuff in their respective threads, but some highlights: - a mint KGVI pictorial set from Gilbert and Ellice Islands to the 5 shilling value - an empty cover album for some Sweden covers I recently purchased - a used SG Utile album with unused leaves, ready for an as-yet undetermined 'old school' project. And I took a flyer on a box of 'desk clearings' for $5. Lots of junk in there, including a glue stick, pen caps, old receipts, home appliance manuals, a few envelopes with Swiss stamps, and lots of on-paper mix with decent looking postmarks. But there were two 'finds' in the box. A crisp, paper Canadian $10 bill (cha-ching!) and a Used Canada Scott #18, just sitting there in a mount! From 1859, it's now my oldest Canadian stamp. It looks Fine, genuine and with no faults. At least it did last night. I'll scan it and look at it more closely today. 98% of the box is going into the recycle bin, but it sure pays to look all the way to the bottom. One advertising mailer had three recent commemorative stamps cancelled on the back, as if the owner wanted cancelled stamps but only had the ad to stick them onto?! |
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Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 19, 2024 16:55:46 GMT
Congratulations, Mark ( madbaker) on your "desk-clearings" box lot.... home appliance manuals, indeed! Now that is truly clearing the desk, throwing everything from the desk into the box, whether stamp-related or not! But wow, a Queen Victoria 12½-cent Sc18 green? Holy smokes! I am still looking for one of those myself. That's huge. From one unapologetic philatelic treasure hunter to another, congratulations on your find! Super! |
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hdm1950
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Posts: 1,887
What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 19, 2024 19:44:18 GMT
I am still away in a Nova Scotia visiting family and taking in the Liverpool International Theatre Festival so I did not expect that there would be any stamping. While at a play this afternoon a friend since childhood sat with me and said he had his and his children’s childhood collections in his car for me. He had sold his better Newfoundland collection but a quick look I found some common but nice mint from there. Also there is a decent amount of 1990’s Canada mint for postage. There are also a few covers sent to him as a boy that may be keepers. I will do some more show and tell once back home. My sister was not enjoying my stuff over her kitchen table.  |
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TimG
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What I collect: Worldwide
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Post by TimG on Oct 19, 2024 20:15:00 GMT
Just enjoying gathering and organizing the little pieces of my collection. Today it was Argentina's turn.   |
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madbaker
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Posts: 802
What I collect: (Mark) General worldwide collector (to 1975 or so) with a soft spot for Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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Post by madbaker on Oct 19, 2024 20:15:10 GMT
Congratulations, Mark ( madbaker ) on your "desk-clearings" box lot.... home appliance manuals, indeed! Now that is truly clearing the desk, throwing everything from the desk into the box, whether stamp-related or not! But wow, a Queen Victoria 12½-cent Sc18 green? Holy smokes! I am still looking for one of those myself. That's huge. From one unapologetic philatelic treasure hunter to another, congratulations on your find! Super! Yeah, it was wild. Looking through correspondence, he was a collector of town cancels. There were ebay receipts, dealer correspondence and so many loose Alberta town cancels they filled a large ziploc.
And they went on a cruise to the Netherlands. I have receipts, an itinerary, and several mini sheetlets of the current postage. But after I found one 'gem', I looked at everything very, very closely.
This felt more like Storage Wars than a stamp lot, but I'm not complaining.
Here's a scan. It sure looks legit and is in remarkable shape given the circumstances. If I'm missing a well known fake, please let me know.
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angore
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What I collect: WW, focus on British Empire
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Post by angore on Oct 20, 2024 11:02:37 GMT
Little time except to read the forums in the morning with coffee. We are in the process of selling our second home so all the usual selling stuff - upkeep, cleaning, removing stuff.
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cursus
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Posts: 2,011
What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Oct 20, 2024 15:49:50 GMT
Earlier this week I received three purchases of Swiss minisheets (from 1974, 1995 & 2000) from e-bay. I'll post them on the appropriate thread.
Today, I went to the stamp market and was very lucky. I bought 20 used Austrian stamps from the 1980s & 1990s (nothing that special), 8 Catalan cinderellas and 2 Scandinavian ones. I'll show the cinderellas on the forthcoming days. On another post,I found a number of Swedish, Finish and Norwegian stamps. Among them, there were good copies of Sweden Facit # 7, 9, 10, 11 & 12, not-so-good (but nice) copies of Finland Facit # 5, 6, 8 & 9 as well as 30 varied Norwegian and Finish (plus a lonely Icelandic!). The total Facit 2008 catalog value, was huge; but I paid a small fraction of it. Some people, just don't know what they're selling...I don't need all of them, but I'll pass the unwanted ones to a friend (for just the price that I paid). Going every week to the stamp market has to have some advantages.
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Happy days??
From there it will go online but not until the postal service returns to something like normal. It has been frustrating not knowing to sell or buy with the situation as it is.
