J A Sage Type I, II, and III

hrdoktorx - That's a brilliant move on the part of La Poste -- make new releases that the classics collector has to take notice of.  They certainly have my attention now!  


Update: a quick Delcampe search shows the degree of philatelic confectioner's sugar, I really have been out of the loop. 

hrdoktorx - did you purchase Trésors de la Philatélie direct from La Poste?   

I can't remember the last time I purchased a new issue direct from a postal authority, but I'm about to break that absence.   La Poste needs to cut you a sales commission check for the referral business they're about to get.  

This doesn't add much to the discussion but thought I would post a selection of the Type I issue from my collection.

A very nice 2c hrdoktorx  This was the most challenging for me to find in both color shades-

Below are my examples- unfortunately the unused stamp has experienced an encounter with scissors...

Maury ?

Thanks Stan

Stan

Do not have Maury Ceres Dally - Just Maury-Spink 2017......catalogs   ($$$)
R

When you have more books than stamps......there is a problem LOL   R

Type I   nuances based on  Maury Ceres & Dallay and Spink | Maury. Still a few to find and likely room for some improvements, but for now (after 3-4 re-designs), these pages are int he sheet protectors and in the binder! The scan doesn't do a great job of showing the variations- I think the broad background (and perhaps black frames ) may influence the scanner- the paper is an ivory/manilla.  Individual scans side by side is much more apparent

Thank you René

though the "deeper" I delve into France, the more involved it is getting. But, now (at least) I can put these down for a bit and try and make more headway of  Sower, or maybe Marianne de Gandon (only  a few pages to finish that series up), and then I should focus on year sets for commemorative and semi-postals and surcharges to start thinning the inventory down.  And I really need to decide what year to STOP, as that might make a lot of more recent issues up for grabs.

Yes, here's looking to 2021!

 joyeux Noël!!

Stan

Stan
Rotate that stamp 180 degrees and give me a Cat # Maury maybe or Y&T - You are in a different world of "experts".......

René

It dawned on me as was about to retire (and the computer had been turned off that it cannot be a 70 as the stamp wasn't yet issued...... (post edited above)

Yvert #64 if Type 1  or #102 if Type III  Type III issued in 1892 - 1900  so 90 would make it a Type I (and it is upside to try and ID the year...turn your monitor over  )

If Paris district postmark that gives about a 7 year window that the Type I stamps would  be in circulation

below are two examples of Paris postmarks, 

A double strike, and what appears to be Paris 3- June  but the3 first digit of the date is missing... so it could be Type 1 (#64) or it could be Type III (102)


Paris 85 June 8, 1900  Yvert #102


And this an example of year 99  Blaye, Dec 29, 1899  # 102

Hello,
I am trying to place the below stamps in the spaces that Steiner has left for me. I am looking for Scott #86 black on lilac-blue, #86a black on gray-blue, and #87 black on Prus blue (haha). I believe these correspond to Yvert #83 and its subtypes and #84. I am also curious if anyone can explain what Yvert is referring to when it describes #83e (Regents, N.D.) (II) and #83f (Granet, N.D) (II). Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide based on this scan.
Patti

pattib, I will also tag Xavier (hrdoktorx) on this question.  René (renden) is right that Stan (stainlessb) has been spending the most time on these on TSF for sure, but others with experience like Xavier or Bob (anglobob) may also be able to help.

I have a few of these issues, too, but I don't know enough to decipher the catalogue listings.

Like you, based on the CV, I assume that I don't have the Prussian blue variety in any case!

As renden mentioned I follow Yvert & Tellier numbering over Scott for France-references by Maury Ceres & Dallay and Spink|Maury go into more detail, although Yvert & Tellier does offer some additional info, as does Marianne , Brun, Francon & Storch, especially with respect to some nice line drawings detailing the types

I am hoping hrdoktorx may have a better , more complete answer, , ND refer to  imperforate stamps (N.D. non-dentelé  = "non-toothed is the literal to English translations). There are a number of folks  here who have a much broader knowledge of paper types than I do and perhaps they will join the discussion.   Maury indicates imperforates exist for all 3 Types, but makes no distinction between Granet and Régents

As to colors- this is where things get highly subjective as we all see color a bit different, our individual scanners and color settings may not interpret colors the same, nor do all monitors receive and display the colors exactly the same- and there is the translation  barrier- so take a big breath. It does help to have a good study group of stamps to compare and also a good light source, many (including myself) use 6500K daylight spectrum lighting (it's not terribly expensive) Some suggest natural sunlight!

If you could place your stamps on a black Vario type stock card and place the stamps uniformly so you can crop out most all the background margin and scan at the highest resolution your scanner will do, that would be helpful.  Too much background makes comparisons a bit more difficult.

Now to further add to the mystery, Yvert # 83 - there are three Types for 1 centimes "black on azure" / "noir sur azuré"  are IIA, IIB, and IIC- with Type IIA having the most shades (7 per Maury, Et Al), IIB has 5 shades, and IIC has 3.  There is overlap between the types. in some cases a postmark may be a useful tool to rule out  certain colors.  Yvert sets apart the Black on PrussianBlue as #84 IIA

For now we will put the Types aside (before you wonder what you've gotten into and are all these people crazy?!?)

Here's a scan of stamps grabbed at random from an almost full Vario page, ( I have just barely finished mounting the Sage Type ! stamps and haven't even begun to layout and print pages for the Type II)

and I have not Typed any of these yet-



as you can see, quite  a range, on the far left is an unused example definitely black on maybe blue-gray, #2 maybe slate on blue , and here is where Type ID may be a tool (maybe) #4 (and maybe 6 also)which looks like a good candidate for 83IIC black on whitish. In the middle , looks to be one of the "intense black" colors... but the paper, only gray-blue or blue are the only ones with "intense" black...., and then moving to #7 it is most likely likely 83IIBd black on dull yellow gray

if you have no intention of pursuing the different TYPE varieties (your life will  be much simpler), then it's a matter of deciding what stamps most closely matches the color description by whoever you follow!)

Welcome to the Sage series!