unechan
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What I collect: pre WW2 Japan (mostly Meiji era classics and semi-classics); Japan revenue and cinderella; Germany infla
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Post by unechan on Sept 9, 2022 23:39:41 GMT
Hi all, The tobacco revenue stamps posted by hdm1950 are identified as follows; 
(catalogue number refers to Hasegawa, ed., "Narumi's Japanese Revenue Stamp Catalogue", 2019. ) Regarding their usage (as asked by Chris crisger ), they are originally aimed to be affixed onto tobacco boxes - see below.  However, after the introduction of general revenue stamps in 1898, the former revenue stamps for specific use (such as this tobacco stamp, medicine, justice, registration tax etc.) has became also valid for general purpose usage. Thus one can find, for example, tobacco revenue stamps on legal documents. - Hironobu |
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 7, 2022 0:51:43 GMT
This looks really familiar to me but it is not Scott listed and not in Colnect, at least not in the Japan listings, Philatarium , do you know what this is? Is it an occupation issue? If so, what country?  |
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 7, 2022 1:42:19 GMT
This looks really familiar to me but it is not Scott listed and not in Colnect, at least not in the Japan listings, Philatarium , do you know what this is? Is it an occupation issue? If so, what country? Using the Stamp Identifier app this comes up as Nederland Indies, Japan occupation naval area from 1943. |
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 7, 2022 1:46:15 GMT
hdm1950, thank you! I should have used that, I have been using it all weekend. Not sure what I was thinking.
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Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on Nov 7, 2022 17:06:34 GMT
hdm1950 , thank you! I should have used that, I have been using it all weekend. Not sure what I was thinking. This happens to all of us!! (Sorry I was away from the board this weekend and didn't get back to you then.) |
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 8, 2022 0:31:03 GMT
Dave ( Philatarium), no worries. I even have a place for the Netherlands Indies occupation issues in my old Scott Specialty album. |
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Post by carabop on Apr 14, 2023 3:45:29 GMT
I received a few Japan stamps from a fellow collector one stamp is this one. Tazawa with Overprint China - Japanese Post Office. I don't have any Japan catalog so I was wondering if anyone here can tell me if I have anything of value and maybe a little more about this stamp? I usually don't worry about value for my stamps but I was thinking of giving it away if someone here has a hole to fill. I don't want to give away a million dollar stamp. LOL After I know more about this stamp my sister and I will decide if we will keep it and add Japan to our collection or give it away. thanks all for your help. Carabop  |
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Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 14, 2023 4:38:16 GMT
Thanks for your post, Carolee ( carabop ). There is no China Overprint on the stamp image in your post, so it is a regular Japanese issue, not from Japanese Offices Abroad. Depending on perforations and watermark, it could be a Japan, 10-sen deep blue, Sc122 (Unwmk.) or Sc137 (Wmk. Zigzag Lines). Used examples of these two have CV of 60c and 25c, respectively. I hope this helps.  |
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peter
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Post by peter on Apr 14, 2023 4:40:09 GMT
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Post by carabop on Apr 14, 2023 12:23:14 GMT
Thank you Beryllium Guy and peter for the clarification and help to correctly identify the stamp. Yes I do see mine does not have the overprint and I should have seen that right away. |
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Post by carabop on May 3, 2023 1:59:55 GMT
More Japan stamps. I think I have identified these correctly. Top is Tazawa series issued in 1913and the bottom 2 are from the Chrysanthemum series issued in 1899.  |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on May 3, 2023 11:39:55 GMT
If the 3 Sen has no watermark,you should be right.
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Post by carabop on May 3, 2023 12:37:30 GMT
If the 3 Sen has no watermark,you should be right. Seems I have misidentified the Sen 3 it does have the wavy line watermark so it was not issued in 1913. Looks like it could of been issued in 1914, 1926 or 1933 depending on the perforations and type of printing and die size. I will have to get out my measuring tools and see if I can figure it out. |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Aug 20, 2023 11:47:11 GMT
I was in Yokohama on business last week. Very much an all-work-and-no-play trip, but I did manage a side trip to a local post office to see if there were any local recent issues worth investing in. I did not find very much that was related to my collection's topics, but in the category of "too pretty to pass up", this sheet of stamps issued for Philately Week 2023 did spark my interest:  |
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madbaker
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What I collect: (Mark) General worldwide collector (to 1975 or so) with a soft spot for Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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Post by madbaker on Aug 31, 2023 4:39:08 GMT
I'm just beginning to sort and process a few bulging envelopes of Japan stamps from the 1970's 'doctor mix' I purchased from the doctor's daughter in Regina. So far there isn't anything super rare or valuable, but it's all new to me, so I like it very much. Two interesting finds were these approval sheets, each with a single commemorative stamp. Worth 10 cents back in the day, and likely still worth 10 cents. But I enjoyed the description that came with the stamps. I've never received single approvals before, so it's all very romantic to me. And the stamps themselves are very attractive.   |
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Post by southafrica1 on Nov 9, 2023 20:53:00 GMT
southafrica1 I was going through a mix of Japan and I found these overprints of offices in China and Korea. At first glance one would not see the overprints as they are very small so it was a thrill to find so many, even though I am sure some of them are counterfeits as the catalog mentions. Still, this is one of the joys of stamp collecting...attention to detail for sure. 
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Post by southafrica1 on Nov 9, 2023 21:15:47 GMT
southafrica1 These are some of the issues that were in that same mix of Japan. I know the quality of some of the very old ones are not that great and they may very well be fakes but it is still a thrill to find these oldies..maybe someone in the know could mention if any of these issues are special in any way...I have never before had any old Japan and also so many...both used and unused. 
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 9, 2023 22:28:47 GMT
southafrica1 These are some of the issues that were in that same mix of Japan. I know the quality of some of the very old ones are not that great and they may very well be fakes but it is still a thrill to find these oldies..maybe someone in the know could mention if any of these issues are special in any way...I have never before had any old Japan and also so many...both used and unused. I have no great working knowledge of these stamps but almost all are early Japan stamps that are in the Scott catalogue and would be in other world wide catalogues as well. A few may be revenues. I understand that forgeries are common but it would require someone more knowledgeable in the field to guide you farther. Some of the ones you show have decent catalogue value. |
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 10, 2023 1:47:51 GMT
southafrica1, thank you for posting these. Looking at the first group of stamps, the offices in China and Korea overprints, and based on the postmarks alone, I would suggest that all of these are the real deal. I do not have a reference for these but I base my information on conversations I have had with members of a Japanese Philately group I belong to. Many of the members are experts in this area.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 10, 2023 2:07:32 GMT
Above, in the top row, I can tell you that the two stamps on the right are early Japanese revenue stamps and not postage stamps. The 4 stamps to the left as well as all of the middle row of stamps, for me are less readily identifiable as either genuine or forgeries. I am not an expert here but the International Society for Japanese Philately has a webpage devoted to identifying forgeries of these stamps, commonly called Cherry Blossoms here: isjp.org/cherry-blossoms/Finally, the bottom row of stamps are commonly called Kobans. I use the excellent reference source from the ISJP (International Society for Japanese Philately), The Koban Forgeries of Japan, which is available here: isjp.org/product/monograph-08/. I can say with some confidence that none of these are forgeries. The stamp at far right, bottom row, is an exception in that it is from a somewhat later definitive series commonly referred to as Chrysanthemums (or Kikus, the Japanese word for Chrysanthemum). It has a medium circle, Roman letter cancel, but unfortunately, the city name is not identifiable. As it is virtually socked-on-the nose, for a postmark collector like myself, a nice clear cancel would have added some value to the basic stamp. Also, 2nd from the right, the carmine-red stamp has a telegraph cancel. |
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Dec 22, 2023 5:42:10 GMT
I'm going through my Japanese stamps this evening and I sure am struggling with sorting stamps into sets. Some of the definitive 'sets' from the 1940s - 1950s don't seem to go together. That is, the catalogue may list them as a set but they don't look similar. Or similar stamps may be hanging out on their own. Thanks to Colnect, I can track the various catalogues and it sure looks like Scott, Michel, Sakura all group things differently. I'm struggling to understand the story of / the reason for the issues and what makes this group a 'set' and another group a different set. It all seems fairly random to my eye. I'm curious, how are you sorting / organizing these sets? Do you just pick a catalogue and stay with it? salentin 's posts in this thread try to make order from this apparent chaos; I think it's according to Michel but I'm not sure. How do collectors in Japan think of these issues? |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 22, 2023 6:22:01 GMT
I'm going through my Japanese stamps this evening and I sure am struggling with sorting stamps into sets. Some of the definitive 'sets' from the 1940s - 1950s don't seem to go together. That is, the catalogue may list them as a set but they don't look similar. Or similar stamps may be hanging out on their own. Thanks to Colnect, I can track the various catalogues and it sure looks like Scott, Michel, Sakura all group things differently. I'm struggling to understand the story of / the reason for the issues and what makes this group a 'set' and another group a different set. It all seems fairly random to my eye. I'm curious, how are you sorting / organizing these sets? Do you just pick a catalogue and stay with it? salentin 's posts in this thread try to make order from this apparent chaos; I think it's according to Michel but I'm not sure. How do collectors in Japan think of these issues? Hi madbaker, My way (Not for everybody) Japan can be easy peasy, depends if the collector is in for the long haul. Forget Colnect, (Good for Worldwide collector) Japan Route Go to "Chirokmd" purchase Japan Scott Pages Scan the pages at 300 + dpi ? OCR the result That's the hard work done, you now have your own catalogue, you have an 80 sen stamp.. type 80s in the search box, and hit enter That's it. I have mine catalogued that way, I hit 80s enter, and I have every 80s stamp ever produced (from my collection) If it is not there, I know I am missing it and have to scan and mount it. "Prefectures" were the most challenging, I have 402 now, so most of the hard work finished   |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Dec 22, 2023 13:00:42 GMT
madbaker, I personally go by Michel.The different categories by Scott,let alone Sakura,like air-mail,semi-postals etc. are just silly,in my view.S.G. is similar to Michel and could be my choice,but in Germany it is just Michel. Wether the more modern issues,especially the definitives are made into sets,or are listed chronologically or not,does not bother me.As I do not like and use "albums",but stock-books,I can arrange them at will.
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JeffS
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What I collect: Oranges Philately, US Slogan Cancels, Cape of Good Hope Triangulars, and Texas poster stamps and cinderellas
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Post by JeffS on Dec 22, 2023 13:09:13 GMT
rod222 I notice that the 3 orange Mt Fujis are identified as deer?
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 22, 2023 13:30:56 GMT
rod222 I notice that the 3 orange Mt Fujis are identified as deer?
the right hand panel of the postage stamp, features the "Sika Deer" (from memory)
Early Japanese stamps, were chock full of reverential meanings
The stamp shown, (and others in the "set" show Mount Huzi, Chrysanthemum Crest, Value Tablet, and the Sika Deer (Spotted Deer, Japanese Deer)
The etching of the Sika Deer standing under a Pine Tree, is taken from that, on the back of an eighth century bronze mirror, (making up the 4 panels of the postage stamp)
The Sika Deer appears on Postage stamps of North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Russia, and Bulgaria.
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Dec 22, 2023 13:42:23 GMT
Two different 4 Sen orange Mt.Fuji and deer were issued: left stamp: Old (large 19 x 22,5 mm) die,Sept.1st,1929 right stamp: New (small 18,5 x 22 mm) die,issued Dec.7th,1931
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Dec 22, 2023 14:12:16 GMT
I’m impressed by all the things I don’t know  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 22, 2023 14:31:51 GMT
I’m impressed by all the things I don’t know  I had a giggle there. Wait till you get to my age, and you begin to forget things. Yesterday, I had to wait a good three minutes, to recall "silverbeet" for my shopping list, I could see it in my mind, but the name just would not surface. That's freaky! |
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Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on Dec 22, 2023 14:36:38 GMT
I'm going through my Japanese stamps this evening and I sure am struggling with sorting stamps into sets. Some of the definitive 'sets' from the 1940s - 1950s don't seem to go together. That is, the catalogue may list them as a set but they don't look similar. Or similar stamps may be hanging out on their own. Thanks to Colnect, I can track the various catalogues and it sure looks like Scott, Michel, Sakura all group things differently. I'm struggling to understand the story of / the reason for the issues and what makes this group a 'set' and another group a different set. It all seems fairly random to my eye. I'm curious, how are you sorting / organizing these sets? Do you just pick a catalogue and stay with it? salentin 's posts in this thread try to make order from this apparent chaos; I think it's according to Michel but I'm not sure. How do collectors in Japan think of these issues? Your questions really resonate with me. I have wondered if I should write a series of posts on TSF about how I approach some of the challenging areas in Japanese stamps. I have different approaches and use different resources depending on the type and time frame of the stamps. My personal feeling is that non-definitive stamps from about 2000 can require different tools, since the number of face-different exploded. (400+ per year) But definitives are easier to deal with. The Sakura catalog is a good simplified resource, because they break out definitives separately, and then one can begin to see the organizing method in the madness. Also, it answers the question: ... because the more specialized catalogs also use the same numbering system. If I had more time right now, I would try to provide more detail. But, to specifically get you through your sorting challenge, let me see if I have some references already scanned in. Please feel free to PM me here through the board. |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 22, 2023 15:13:37 GMT
Further relevance I have just learned for the Sika Deer (stamps as messengers)
The Sika deer was chosen as, in Japan, it is traditionally seen as a messenger between the earth and the spirit world.
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I had a giggle there.