New Zealand: Chalons - 1855-1873

Some nice examples there Dave. I had no idea that the Riverton 6 was used so late, and still in good condition too.

The most resent information from volume VII that Dave shows above was published in 1988 so it is possible that numbers not seen at that time may have shown up, hence my request.
Here is the one that piqued my interest. Many years ago I saw a number 7 in an auction for a mixed group of chalons but my bid was unsuccessful. At the time I didn't recognise it's rarity.


 


Philip

Well, I went looking at the Chalon books again, but no luck in finding any further 'new' Southland obliterators, altho' I did find a couple more of the often seen '5' of Invercargill.

But, I did find a couple of other obliterators that I have moved into my postmark collection book - one being an unallocated  7-bar obliterator and the below one : 







O8 was used at Arrow River, later Arrowtown. It used to be part of the Dunedin Postal District hence the O (Otago), but was transferred to Invercargill Postal District in Feb 1863, and they took the obliterator with them!

I didn't, knowingly, have an O8 in my collection previously so am very happy to have 'found' it.



Dave

NB Andrew Murphy showed his collection of the O numbered obliterators on pages 5-6 of this thread. He was at the time missing O8 also! 
PS Where is @murphz1  does anyone know? His website seems to have gone also!!  www.andrewsnzstamps.com/

Good luck with that article Philip. I know that I reply to people who seek info and I can assist.

Let's see what response you get from it and take it from there.

That '12' above is interesting too. I haven't seen one like it before .

With that BN '15' above, I know you have inquired with us previously but still no joy with it! I haven't had any luck in finding out anything about it either, but do wonder if the cancel was applied in a foreign land, such as from its destination country or it's transits! Ceylon was one countrys postmarks I thought of looking at, must check that avenue out sometime :-)



Dave

Hi Grant

I have not seen that one before to be honest.

I also looked thru' Marshall's book on manuscripts and only saw what you did there. That N4 one you picture above is the closest one to it in there.

I also looked in vol.3 & vol.7 of the RPSNZ handbooks and didn't see anything about it there either.

Hopefully somebody with more knowledge on NZ manuscripts will come along and tell you more, but at this stage we are none the wiser.



Dave

And curious also if this is perhaps one of the Dunedin district obliterators (11) - seems to have 12 bars. Also curious to know what happened to Andrew's excellent resource for cancellations on chalons - it seems his website is no longer active? Cheers, Jim.

Thanks, Philip. Unfortunately my reference library is pretty much non-existent. I will see if it is possible to access the RPSNZ volumes through the wellington city library as it looks as if they do have them at an undisclosed location! Haven't seen that cancel of yours before.

Cheers, Jim.

Here are the two we posted of that '11' cancel away back on page 16 of this thread :






Dave

Here is the image from RPSNZ Vol III of the "W" Duplex (No.6)

I thought I remembered having an example of this one on FFQ but only one I can find right now is on later FSF. Can show here even though not a Chalon.
Likely this cancel only come into use 1870ish so may indeed be relatively scarce on FFQ issue. Certainly example shown by Jim has crisp look of early use.
Be interesting to see other examples and if any appear on earlier printings


Clayton

Hi Clatyon
Can you take a close look at the size of the "W" in relation to the size and position of the bars on your FSF
Do you reckon it is the same as shown in RPSNZ hand book ?
Cheers Grant

Nice work above Clayton. What software do you use to do the over-laying of images with?


I went looking for that particular 'W' duplex cancel on my Chalons but no luck to date.

However, speaking of late use Chalons with early duplex cancels, I did re-find this one from Dunedin.

Vol.3 of the RPSNZ handbooks has this example pictured with an OC 1875 date. If this was indeed distributed to Post Offices in 1875 then this is certainly late use of a Chalon!


SG134 with early Dunedin duplex cancel:





Dave

I use the CorelDRAW Graphics Suite, but it is a rather old version by now as I have had the same for many years.
Also have Photoshop but don't really use that anymore.

Craddock notes that the earliest date of use recorded for the above Dunedin Duplex is September 1875 but as we know, this doesn't necessarily mean date of issue.
Still the earlier Dunedin Duplex with "O" in 8 bars Oblit went from 1872 to 1875 so reasonable that some time in mid 1875 this one came in.

Clayton

Was a nice example of the serifed "W" on Trademe a few weeks back. Unfortunately I missed the auction but it went for a very reasonable price.
Looks especially good on the 4d yellow. Maybe someone here got it?

Nice Dave. By London Plate 2d Plate Proof, I assume you mean Plate I. If this is true, How did you determine it is plate I? Also, can you post a scan of the back.

Thanks,

Mark

Here are the 3 Plate Proofs I have so far:

Two of the 2d and one of the 1/-





and their backs :




and the one you asked about on it's own :






Dave