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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 6, 2022 21:26:34 GMT
France Peace & Commerce Issue (French: "Type Sage") Sc64-108, Issued 1876-1900Next to Stan's ( stainlessb ) excellent holdings and detailed analysis of these stamps, my single Hagner stock sheet pales by comparison. I am, nonetheless, happy to have finally assembled it a few weeks ago, and I have just been slow to post. I am still missing a few stamps from the general sequence, but I have included a couple of nice color varieties. I will do a complete caption in the next day or so, with a catalgue description for all the stamps shown. I also owe a special thanks to Xavier ( hrdoktorx ), who took me with him to a stamp show in Provence while I was living in France, and it was there back in 2019 that I acquired some of the nicest examples that I have in this series. Type I issues: The "N" of "INV" is under the "B" of "REPUBLIQUE"Row 1: France, Sc64-65, 67 (missing Sc66, 68) Row 2: France, Sc69-70, 73-76 (missing Sc71-72) Type II issues: The "N" of "INV" is under the "U" of "REPUBLIQUE"Row 3: France, Sc78, 80 (missing Sc77, 79) Row 4: France, Sc81-81a, 82-82a, 83-84 Row 5: France, Sc86-86a, 88-89. 90-90a, 91 (missing Sc87) Row 6: France, Sc92, 92b, 93, 94-94a, 95, 95b, 96 Row 7: France, Sc97, 98-98a, 99-102 Row 8: France, Sc103-104 Type I issues: The "N" of "INV" is under the "B" of "REPUBLIQUE"Row 8: France, Sc106, 108 (missing Sc105, 107)
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 6, 2022 19:47:47 GMT
damo : Thanks for your post. I think you have answered your own question. Any stamps that "strike a note on beauty or historical importance" are not really ordinary, are they? I think you have perfectly understood the thread subject: Using stamps to tell a storyAny stamp can be extraordinary if it tells a story....
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2022 21:47:11 GMT
Xavier ( hrdoktorx), thanks for your interesting post. It’s a great question. I wish I had my small Braunschweig accumulation with me to check the colors, but I don’t. Sorry. Based solely on the scans, I agree with greaden. I don’t see enough of a difference in the two shades of yellow to pay a sizeable premium for the one on the right. I agree that it appears slightly darker, but I would consider these to be two copies of the same stamp. Good luck with your decision!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2022 15:27:09 GMT
Ha ha, well, I am not Oxford trained either, as it happens. I just live here! The comments I made are general guidance, René ( renden ), and not directed at you or any other member in particular. I agree that you generally always include descriptive text in your posts with images, which is great, and much appreciated.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2022 14:08:29 GMT
Thanks for your post, René ( renden ). Very simple: an example of a poor-quality post for searchability is one that contains only an image, with either no descpritive text or any other info. I think that is self-explanatory. A caption: "a title or brief explanation accompanying an illustration/image" (une légende en français) As an example, posting an image of a stamp either with no description at all or something meaningless, such as "Here's this" or "How about this?" or "Have a look at this" or "Here's another one" is not good for being found in a search. All it takes is a bit of common sense, not a bunch of rules or policies. If you post the image of a stamp or cover, provide some description in text: - Country where the item is from
- Catalogue number
- Date of issue for a stamp
- Date and location for a postmark
- Any other descriptive info
Does that help?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2022 12:56:32 GMT
Many thanks for your post, Terri ( philatelia).... as usual, you are "spot on" as the British would say! I would just mention that better to contribute a thread (or post) in the not-necessarily-best-place and then have it moved, than not to contribute at all for fear of putting it in the wrong place. Threads and posts can always be moved after the fact, and sometimes hindsight is indeed the best sight. I would also add to this that posting images without captions is not a great practice. Members should please try to bear in mind that images that contain text, while they might look fine without any explanation in the text of the post, are not searchable for any of the text that they contain. Sad, but true. If you want others, both TSF Members and the general public searching online, to be able to find what you have posted in a search, then the relevant info needs to be entered in a text format that will show up in said search. OK, I am now stepping down from my soapbox, and thanks to everyone for helping to make TSF a great place to be. Stay stampy, all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2022 7:10:14 GMT
Alex ( vikingeck ), is there supposed to be an image of a postcard in your post? I am not seeing anything, unless my browser is acting up again.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 3, 2022 10:21:13 GMT
I have the 2022 edition and the note is identical. Thanks again for this, Dale. May I please ask you to confirm a couple of other things from the 2022 Catalogue? Is the Catalogue Editor still Hugh Jefferies? I found his name on page vii of the 2014 version, and I would like to know if he was still the editor for the latest edition. Also, is the 2022 publication considered as the 124th Edition? I am guessing that this should be the case, since my 2014 is the 116th Edition, but I just wanted to confirm. Anyone who can answer these questions is welcome to respond. I have quoted/tagged Dale since he provided the earlier response. Many thanks, all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 3, 2022 7:31:26 GMT
Just in case anyone was wondering.... The Linn's Stamp News article by Sergio Sismondo is titled Cape of Good Hope: postal reform and its triangle stamps of 1853. It seems to be part of a series titled "Unveiling Classic Stamps", and it was published on 15-Jul-2019. This is a good article about the history of the region and the start of the postal system in the Cape Colony, including the pre-stamp days. The author uses images of some very nice stamps as illustration. The article strikes me as well written, and Sismondo refers to info from Stevenson [1] at least 2-3 times in his account. The content puts me in mind of one of my own Philatelic Travelogue articles from the TSF Newsletter, where the main gist of the writing is to describe a place and its history and use stamps as illustrations and to support and add to the story. As this is a technique that I have used on multiple occasions myself, I think it is a good one, and that it makes for an enjoyable read. Bottom line: I am planning to include a reference to the Sismondo article in my own article in a section for "Additional Reading", as I think it provides some good background info and Sismondo is widely recognized as an important and influential professional philatelist. The article doesn't deal with identification of the stamps at all, which was what I really wanted to know. Many thanks again to Terri ( philatelia) for the quick and helpful response to my request. I am currently in research mode as I write my article, and I am just trying to be sure that I haven't missed any pre-existing info on my specific topic, which is turning into a bit of a rabbithole, to be honest. Thanks to all who have been helping me in this process! References[1] Stevenson, D. Alan. The Triangular Stamps of Cape of Good Hope. H.R. Harmer Ltd., London, 1950.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 20:00:21 GMT
Yes indeed, Terri ( philatelia) has responded super fast! Much appreciated, Terri, thank you! I have now saved the photos, and I am starting to read the article. I am very interested in seeing what the author has to say on the subject and whether there is anything I should be considering or referencing for my project. Thanks again, Terri!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 19:43:04 GMT
Peter ( brightonpete), I am so glad that you are OK! When I had seen the changes to your profile and avatar, I was really concerned that something awful had happened.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 15:47:49 GMT
Many thanks, Terri ( philatelia). I will check out the images in the PMs.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 14:49:57 GMT
Hi, everyone: Thanks again to all who responded to my original request for help with the SG Catalogue note on Cape Triangles. It was very helpful, and it gave me just the info I needed. I do appreciate it so much when our little community pulls together to help each other out. Now, I am coming to you with a new request. I read online that Sergio Sismondo, a noted US dealer, wrote an article about Cape Triangles for Linn's Stamp News, that was supposed to be published on 15th July 2019. I contacted Linn's, and they said that if I pay them $40 for a weekly online subscription, I can get access to the digital archive, which will include that issue. At the moment, I would prefer not to spend the $40 if I can help it, but I would like to see a copy of the article, as it may impact what I am writing. Can anyone help me with this? Please feel free to post responses in this thread or just PM me, whichever is easier. Thanks again to all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 12:14:36 GMT
Quiet Weekend in Ox-townGreetings, stampers far and wide! I am spending a quiet weekend at home, still trying to get over the last, lingering effects of COVID. I am getting close. Most of stamp time this past week has been spent reading posts on TSF and making the occasional response, and working on my COGH Triangles article. The latter has kept me busier than I would have imagined, as I keep finding areas that need further investigation to make sure that what I am saying is correct and hasn't already been said by someone else. To that end, I have sent off requests for information to the APRL (thanks, Al [ angore ], for the nudge on that one) and to the Journal Editor for the Cape & Natal Study Circle, who has been checking for previous publications in the Journal about Cape Triangles. So far, it is looking pretty good that nothing substantive has been published on my topic of interest (i.e., correct ID of PB and DLR Cape Triangles) since the Stevenson book in 1950. We shall see. I also want to say thanks again to all the members who answered my request for help regarding the Cape Triangle notes in the SG Catalogue. It is much appreciated! My latest quest is to find a copy of an article by Sergio Sismondo published in Linn's Stamp News on 15-Jul-2019 about Cape Triangles. I don't have a current subscription to the publication, so I will need to pay $40 to renew if I want to have access to the publication archive. If anyone has access and can help me to get a copy of this article, please send me a PM. That's about it for now as I continue to work on my research. Stay stampy, all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 10:04:17 GMT
Well that is a revelation, Vince ( stanley64 ).... thanks for pointing it out! I never thought of forgeries as being classified as EFOs (Errors, Freaks & Oddities). To me, seeking to place a forgery into one those categories would be the equivalent of taking a normal stamp, which turned out exactly as it was supposed to, and also forcing it into one of those three categories. If the EFO people deem it necessary to classify forgeries as "oddities", then I think I will consider those people as oddities, too, because I think it is stretching a point and forcing something to fit where it doesn't really belong. I don't think that there is anything particularly odd about forgeries. They were created to fill spaces in stamp albums, or to fool collectors, or for other reasons. That's just my two cents, but thanks for the interesting point, which would never have occurred to me.
Edit: It occurred to me after making the intial post, that with the EFO enthusiasts, perhaps it is a case of "If you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." They see the philatelic world through what can be included as EFO material. In that context, I suppose that a forgery would not qualify as a "normal" stamp, so perhaps they have a point. That said, if you carry on with that logic, then even Cinderellas wouldn't qualify as normal stamps, and the list of EFOs grows even larger. As none of it really matters to me, the debate is purely academic from my perspective, and the EFO people can say what they like!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 1, 2022 15:46:11 GMT
Thanks for your post, paul1. The stamps are interesting to be sure. I am going to move this thread to the British Offices Abroad board that was created during the re-organization of the European main board a couple of months back. If you look at some of the other threads already in that board, you will see some other examples similar to yours.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 19:14:10 GMT
Jim ( jkjblue), thanks for posting here, and for your kind remarks. I know that there has been some back-and-forth discussion here, sometimes taking awhile to arrive at a conclusion on particular examples posted, but it has all been educational at least for me, and I am hoping also for everyone else who has either participated in or simply read this thread. I, for one, have really enjoyed the process. I have read your blog, and I think you have done an excellent job. It's as good as anything else out there right now. Please allow me to congratulate you on a job well done. Bravo!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 15:06:28 GMT
Jim ( jkjblue), congratulations on a very nice post about the Cape Triangles.... very well done, in my opinion! I enjoyed reading your comments, and I am looking forward to seeing the next installments. I am glad that our discussions on TSF have helped you to document more info for others. I guess I had better get moving and get my article finished!! Congrats, again!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 13:29:07 GMT
Hi, Jack ( banknoteguy ). You wrote: I have no special expertise in this area, but I just checked the Scott Catalogue, and the British used stamps of Gibraltar overprinted "Morocco Agencies" starting in 1898 (QV issues). They later switched to overprinting GB issues of KEVII, KGV, KEVIII, KGVI, and QEII. You can find these under Great Britain Offices Abroad for Morocco.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 10:41:11 GMT
Thanks, Al ( angore). I have just sent you a PM.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 9:57:11 GMT
Thanks for your post, Al ( angore). I have consulted the APRL in the past, but not so far on this project. I probably should do that. Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 9:35:11 GMT
Excellent, Dale ( Statesman Stamper), that was just the last piece in the puzzle I was looking for! Many thanks to all who responded to my request for help, it is much appreciated. Sincere thanks to Dale, Jack ( banknoteguy), Clive ( clivel), Ludovico ( rex), and Bob ( anglobob) for your posts. This was the main thing I wanted to know, i.e., that the note is still current. I appreciate Jack's addition that pretty much the same note goes back to 1984. The reason why I am interested in this is because, in fact, I think that there is at least one inaccurate statement in the note, and I am planning to point that out in my article and provide examples that justify my opinion. Just for kicks, if anyone has an older SG Catalogue (earlier than 1984), I would be happy to know how far back the note seems to go. I may put that question to SG and see if they are willing to comment about it.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 14:30:06 GMT
Yes, indeed, Jim ( jkjblue), we all need a do-over now and then! I think that SG4a is spot on. Thanks for playing to both you and Alex ( vikingeck)!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 13:06:59 GMT
Thank you very much, Ludovico ( rex)! This another good datapoint for me. It's starting to look like the note may still be the same as it was. Does anyone have a newer edition: 2020, 2021, or 2022? If so, please let me know. Thanks again, Ludovico.... much appreciated!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 11:53:23 GMT
Thanks for your post, Alex ( vikingeck), it is very helpful! I agree with you that I prefer to maintain my underwear in untwisted condition with respect to blueing on Cape Triangles. It is much more comfortable that way! Unfortunately, I am a little bit of a slave to the catalogue makers, though, so I try to organize my collection more or less along the lines of how the stamps are listed and described in the catalogue. For the Cape Triangles, I have decided to follow SG, since they are the most popular choice amongst Cape Triangle collectors. For that reason, and that reason only, I bother to look at my COGH stamps on blued paper, and I generally try to classify them as more blued (SG1-2) or less blued (SG3-4). Other than that, I don't spend any more time or effort on it, and this is not an area of big interest for me. I am much more interested in the color shade varieties of the DLR printings, which is what I am working on now. But as PB stamps were printed on blued paper, I can't ignore it entirely, although there are times when I am tempted to!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 11:43:56 GMT
Thanks, Bob ( anglobob), that's great info and a good start! Can anyone confirm for a more recent edition than 2018? Thanks again, Bob. It is much appreciated.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 11:16:58 GMT
Edit: This thread was originally titled Need Help from SG Catalogue Users, then changed to Need Help from Linn's Stamp News Subscribers (2nd July), and those specific appeals for help worked. Many thanks to all who responded. I have now once again re-purposed this thread with a broader title name, just to keep everyone informed about my progress.
Hi, everyone: I am doing some research for my article about Cape of Good Hope Triangles, and in the process, I have been studying the notes in the SG Catalogue more closely than I did before. The most recent edition I have is the 2014 SG Stamp Catalogue: Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps 1840-1970. I recently learned that SG changed the COGH anchor watermark image in the catalogue a few years ago, and now I am trying to figure out if they have changed any of the other notes about the Cape Triangle issues. The note in the 2014 edition, which appears just after the listing for COGH SG22 reads: Ideally, I would love to know what is in the current edition of the catalogue (2022), but if anyone can confirm if this statement is the same in any other edition starting with 2015, that would also help. I am trying to determine if the note from 2014 is still current, or if it has been changed between 2015 and now, and if it has been changed, when that occurred. Thanks to anyone who can post a comment.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 10:21:40 GMT
Thanks for your post, Alex ( vikingeck ). For what it's worth, I agree with you. I also think that Example BG4 shows blueing on the back. That's why I re-posted the group together, including the backs this time, so that everyone could more easily do the comparison. Admittedly, the stamp may be a little bit dirty (I have not soaked it), but I think it definitely shows blueing on the back, especially when viewed side by side with the other examples. Let's see if it looks any different to Jim ( jkjblue ) now. It seems to me that spotting the blueing, when it is only slight or faint, and especially on a stamp already printed in blue, can be a really tricky business. Alex, from your experience with the early GB issues, is this also a problem? Like the Cape Triangles, are there also GB listings for essentially the same stamp but printed on paper with more blueing, less blueing, or not blued? Does it create the same sort of challenges in getting a good catalogue number ID? I have some of the early GB issues in my accumulation, but I have never really taken the time to study this aspect.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 9:43:37 GMT
Thanks for your post, Jim ( jkjblue). Reading your comments, I realized that I have done everyone a disservice here by the way I posted my last example, particularly in light of all the time that has passed since I first posted the small group. So, I am re-posting again the original group of four, but this time both fronts and backs. Now that you already have ideas about the first three, and you can do some visual comparison of Example BG4 to the other three, does your impression change? This is one of the key points in being able to identify these stamps. Sometimes the differences are subtle, and the only way to get going in the right direction is to do a side-by-side comparison with other stamps of known identities. Hope this helps, and sorry for not doing this earlier.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 28, 2022 20:02:38 GMT
Hello again, Cape Triangle enthusiasts! Sorry for the delay in getting back to the ID of these stamps from my more recent acquisitions. Here is the last in the group that I posted earlier. Example BG4This stamp was purchased inexpensively as part of a small lot of three stamps. In the end, considering it was inexpensive to me, can you guess why I was particularly happy to get this stamp? Any opinions or comments are welcome! Stay stampy, all!
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