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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 20, 2022 8:37:57 GMT
Thanks for your response, Zip ( zipper ). The difference between an Sc145 and an Sc156 should be pretty clear. The Sc145 does not have the secret mark (dash or crescent-shaped mark in the bottom of the first pearl to the left of "1") and the Sc156 does. Your posted image is a bit blurry, so it's hard for me to tell if I can see the mark or not. As you have the stamp, when you magnify it, can you see the mark in the pearl?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 20, 2022 7:09:10 GMT
Hi, Zip ( zipper), and thanks for your post. I got rid of the duplicate thread for you. Below is an excerpt from The Micarelli Identification Guide to United States Stamps. When I am working on US classics, this is my go-to reference. I find it much easier to figure out the correct catalogue number using this format rather than working directly in the Scott Catalogue. For your stamp, it looks like it could be a US Sc156. It depends if it has the secret mark as shown in Footnote 77 in the reference. Hope this helps.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 21:43:50 GMT
Hong Kong, Sc1-70 Queen Victoria Era Arranged on Hagner Stock SheetWith more recent interest in stamps of Hong Kong, I realized that it has been over 2 years since I last shared any of my collection sheets, and I have made some substantial changes since those original posts. Today, I will start with my new first sheet, which now finally includes some stamps from the first, unwatermarked QV issue. Sheet 1: Queen Victoria Issues, 1863-1902Row 1: Reproduction of an Old Hong Kong Album Header Row 2: HK, Sc1-4, QV definitives, unwatermarked Row 3: HK, Sc5-6, QV definitives, unwatermarked Row 4: HK, Sc8-9, Sc12-15: QV definitives, watermarked Crown over CC Row 5: HK, Sc18, 20, 22, 24: QV definitives, watermarked Crown over CC (Sc22 & 24 have faults) Row 6: HK, Sc36-39: QV definitives, watermarked Crown over CA (Sc36 is probably 36b or 36c, as it appears carmine) Row 7: HK, Sc40-45: QV definitives, watermarked Crown over CA Row 8: HK, Sc47, 30-cent gray green (2 copies), QV definitive, watermarked Crown over CA (Left: unused, original color; Right: used, faded color due to fugitive ink)
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 19:53:39 GMT
Sorry, Jim ( jkjblue), I jumped the gun a little there on L2, as I had not yet seen the back before I made my post. I do agree with your assessment as SG6 Deep Blue, another semi-sharp print. In my opinion, you are quite right about the color. It does not have the indigo tones of the DLR prints. You are getting quite good at this, Jim! And with the quantity of triangles that you have to evaluate, you can see why SG6 is by far the most common ID of all. It comes in various blue shades, printing resolutions, and paper tones, but in the end, it is almost always recognizable for what it is, as long as you understand the range of the varieties. From my perspective, when first looking at any 4d blue triangle, we begin by acknowledging that it is most likely an SG6, and then we start looking for reasons why it's not. If we can't find more than one reason, we stick with SG6.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 19:36:48 GMT
Thanks for your latest, Jim ( jkjblue). Example L2Once again, nice results from the peroxide treatment, as this one was definitely sulfuretted. I agree that the right corner looks to be abraded. As for the cancel, I think it is actually one of the usual triangular obliterators, just struck rather heavily on one side, making it appear like something else. I agree with your assessment of SG6 Deep Blue, semi-sharp print. I also agree with your thinking about the previous owner's notion that these should be classified as DLR prints. I think that he mistook the darker tones from the sulfuretting for the DLR indigo, but as you have been systematically using peroxide to show the colors at their best, we are not confused about this. We can see these for what they really are. Still, I suspect that there is still a DLR lurking in this L group, anyway.... let's see if we can find it!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 19:03:45 GMT
Thanks for your latest, Jim ( jkjblue ). Sorry, I was going on about K5, and I sort of missed the next one. Example K6Jim, I agree with your comments about this one. It's a shame that the discoloration was not due to sulfuretting, because it would have been nice to see it clean up. Ah well, we can't win them all, can we? It's good that you tried, though. It definitely removed some of the staining from the back. This one looks to me like another SG6 Deep Blue, and an over-inked PB woolly print, very similar to your Example K1. The engine-turned background is almost solid color, with very little detail evident.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 12:29:37 GMT
Welcome to TSF, Arturo ( artgrub)! Thanks for a nice intro post. I agree with others that your English seems very fine. I hope that you will enjoy your time with us. -Chris ( Beryllium Guy) US expatriate living in England, UK
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 12:23:22 GMT
Welcome to TSF, koban1! Thanks for your intro post. I look forward to hearing more about your discoveries.... -Chris (Beryllium Guy) US expatriate living in England, UK
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 12:01:32 GMT
Welcome to TSF, Carlos ( carlos05011960)! Thanks for a nice intro post. I hope that you will enjoy your time with us, and the process of rebuilding your collection. -Chris ( Beryllium Guy) US expatriate living in England, UK
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 19, 2022 8:42:04 GMT
Northern Ireland Queen Elizabeth II First & Second Issues, 1958-1969During my recent trip to Ireland, which included 2-3 days in Northern Ireland, I was disappointed to find that currently there are no regional issues of stamps available there, only just the regular UK issues that can be had at any post office in England, Scotland, or Wales. So, I decided to acquire a few of the older issues and post here to encourage others to do the same. Row 1: Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Sc1-Sc6, including Sc1p and Sc2p with phosphorescent bands, First QEII Issue 1958-1967 Row 2: Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Sc7-Sc11, Second QEII Issue 1968-1969
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 18, 2022 16:35:47 GMT
Thanks for that close-up look, Jim ( jkjblue). If you are not seeing any evidence of thinning, then that rules out surface scuffing, in my opinion. It must be an artifact of the printing, then, which makes it unusual!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 18, 2022 15:37:40 GMT
Thanks for your post, Jim ( jkjblue ). Example K5I agree with your assessment in all aspects: SG6a, Semi-Sharp Print. Only slight improvement from the peroxide treatment this time, so the marks were mainly from the cancel or something else, rather than sulfuretting. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference, can't it? I have taken the liberty of marking up your image below. Can you tell me anything else about the area I have circled in red? While there are sometimes whitish or cloudy areas in the engine-turned background, this mark seems unusual to me. Can you tell if it is a surface scuff rather than an articfact of printing? When you hold it up to a light source, is it thinned in that spot? Curious to hear your further comments.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 18, 2022 11:22:53 GMT
Many thanks for that post, Michael ( Londonbus1). It was nice to see the video, as I never got the chance to meet Clive. I am glad for the chance to remember him.... I miss him still.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 17, 2022 20:36:53 GMT
Jim ( jkjblue ) and all, please accept my apologies for the slow response. I have been away on travel and just returned this afternoon and went immediately into work mode. I finally have some time to take a closer look at these last few examples. First of all, I have to compliment you, Jim. You are fast becoming the most experienced TSF member on hydrogen peroxide treatment of sulfuretted stamps and with great results. I am impressed with what a nice job the process has done on the stamps. Kudos to you, Jim! Example K1This is a very interesting print; it's a real shame about the crease/crack running through the stamp. I agree that this is an over-inked SG6 variety. As for woolliness, Stevenson uses the term woolly to describe both PB and DLR prints, but I am starting to wonder if we should try to find different ways to describe the two, because I think that they are not quite the same. I think that PB prints that appear woolly are over-inked, where the DLR prints show an actual clumping of ink on the surface due to lack of absorption into the paper. I will have a think on that, but for now, I think we can say that this is a PB woolly print. It's a wonderful example as the engine-turned background almost appears to be solid color with no evident detail. It's a very striking example, in my opinion. Example K2I completely agree with your assessment: SG6a, sharp print. The peroxide really worked wonders on this stamp. It has been dramatically improved. Example K3Once again, I agree with your comments: SG6, sharp print, but slightly less so than K2. Peroxide helped again, too. Example K4I agree that this is an SG6, very sharp print, perhaps exceptionally so, with beautiful color. I like the fact that you are not forgetting about the possibility of SG4 on Slightly Blued Paper. We should guard against tunnel vision in these cases, and it's easy enough to fall into that trap when you look at many copies of the same stamp. That said, I don't think that this is SG4 either (same as your conclusion) for two reasons: greenish blue color is not evident and the blue we can see on the back perfectly mirrors the design on the front, which tells me that it is most likely related to the printing ink rather than blueing. But I grant you that this is not always easy to distinguish correctly, and most online sellers are unable to do it. Incidentally, very nice full, clear watermark on this stamp, with little if any distortion.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 15, 2022 21:16:02 GMT
More New Boards CreatedHi again, everyone: I just wanted to mention that in addition to the new boards mentioned in my last post in this thread, Steve ( tomiseksj) has created a few more, and I have moved threads into them: - German Offices Abroad (under Germany)
- Mayotte (under Africa)
- Memel (under Mainland Europe)
- Moheli (under Africa)
- Rouad, Ile (under Insular Europe)
I have also been moving threads into the sub-board "German Occupation Stamps", which now has threads about Germany both as an occupier of other countries, and when it was itself occupied by others. I have been going through the boards to find threads in other locations and move them to the new boards and sub-boards. If any members find threads that you think are in the wrong board and should be moved, please feel free to send me a PM and let me know. Stay stampy, all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 15, 2022 20:49:22 GMT
Another nice Lithuania forerunner on a Prussian stamp Another Memel forerunner postmark being quoted with image for transfer to the new Memel thread.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 15, 2022 20:41:15 GMT
Lithuania has a very complex postal history, reflecting that the country have shifted between being in "possession" of other countries, being independent plus all the local and occupational issues etc. This interesting story can be traced by the postmarks as well - thus Lithuania deserves a tread for postmarks and forerunners Here is a few examples on forerunners for the Klaipeda (ex. Memel) area, which was annexed by Lithuania some years after WW1: (I´m sorry for the very poor quality of the image, the photo was taken for another reason than post here..) Any interest for such stuff guys? renden blaamand Beryllium Guy Quoting to include image of Memel postmarks to be moved to a new thread in the newly created Memel country board.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 14, 2022 20:51:42 GMT
More Weekend TravelGreetings, stampers far and wide! As the weather continues to improve in the UK, my wife and I are continuing to do more travel. In this case, that means no real chance to work on my actual stamps, which I left behind in Oxford while we are away. That means my stamp activities revolve around online things, and there have been a few. I have had a bit more time for TSF, which has been nice. When zipper recently started her British East Africa thread, which warranted the creation of a new sub-board, it got me to looking again at Steve's ( tomiseksj ) list of countries without sub-boards, and I realized that we already had threads existing that would fit some of those sub-boards. So, I have been working with Steve, just a bit at a time, to add new sub-boards here and there, and populate them with existing threads accordingly. Here are a few that you will now find: - Austria Offices Abroad (under Austria)
- British Offices Abroad (under Great Britain)
- French Offices Abroad (under France)
- Antarctic (under Australia, Oceania & The Antarctic)
There are a couple of others, but these are the main ones. I have also found a few other threads along the way that needed to be moved, and in some cases, threads that needed to be combined, too. I am planning to continue to go through the country board list a bit at a time, and look for threads that might justify the creation of new boards. I have also been keeping busy with Cape triangle analysis and ID, as Jim ( jkjblue ) presents his substantial holdings. That has been a fun ride, and a learning experience, too. We have had all sorts of interesting stuff, including a couple of color changelings that were defying proper ID, a skillfully repaired stamp masquerading as a sound copy, hydrogen peroxide treatments cleaning up sulfuretting and clarifying colors, and more. If you haven't had a chance to check it out, have a look at the thread, as there has been plenty of recent activity. That's about it for now. Have a good weekend, everyone!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 14, 2022 20:19:15 GMT
This has worked out to be an interesting day, Jim ( jkjblue). Example J5: After H202 WashJim, you are getting to be very experienced with peroxide washing of sulfuretted blue Cape triangles, aren't you? I agree that this one is improved in appearance quite nicely as a result of the treatment. I will have to think about trying this on a couple of mine at some point. Furthermore, I agree with your assessment of this stamp as an SG6 Deep Blue. We know that Stevenson tells us that the Deep Blue is more susceptible to sulfuretting, too, so that is another point in favor of that identification. I also agree with you that this printing is not woolly, probably semi-sharp, as the vast majority of PB printings seem to be, in my opinion. I am not totally surprised that the dealer or previous owner of this stamp might have identified it as an SG19. I think that they confused the darker areas from the sulfuretting with the known darker color of DLR blue triangles when compared to PB ones, and perhaps they didn't understand about the effects of sulfuretting on the color. Now that you have cleaned the stamp and restored the color, I think that the ID is clear as SG6. Nice work, my friend!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 14, 2022 16:46:04 GMT
Jim ( jkjblue ), you are very kind. I am sorry to be the bearer of less-than-happy news on this one, but I really think it has been tampered with. Once again, though, I am impressed by the quality of the repair. It seems remarkably well done. Due to the generally high CV of Cape triangles, repaired copies are not all that uncommon. I always try to be on the lookout for them, though, as the price should reflect the fact that it is a damaged stamp that has been repaired.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 14, 2022 16:09:41 GMT
Jim ( jkjblue ), I agree with you on this one. I think that Example J4 is definitely an SG19 DLR printing. We always have to remember that there are perhaps an infinite number of shades of blue on these, but this darker color is not one of the PB shades to my eye. And as you have already pointed out, this example has the characteristic DLR woolliness. It's a very nice stamp, and I agree completely with your ID and observations about it.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 14, 2022 16:01:23 GMT
Sorry for the delayed response, Jim ( jkjblue ). I am on travel again this weekend, and my time isn't always my own. Further Comments on Example J1It never ceases to amaze me that two people can look at the same images and see different things. On this one, I would say that if you are not seeing what I think I am seeing, then we should just agree to disagree and leave it there. To me, it really looks as if this stamp has been repaired, perhaps even to the point of having the left margin added. I am suspicious of the lettering, as the "T" in POSTAGE seems just a touch distorted, as well as the problem with the netting that you originally pointed out also occurs in other places. I also think I can see a color difference in the area I have outlined, which is why I chose the image before peroxide treatment. On the back, the paper looks quite different in that area, from all the rest of the stamp, and in looking at the microscope view, I am seeing a density difference (darker gray shading) in the areas where the more opaque white paper appears on the back. Of course, I could be wrong about this, but that's how it looks to me based on the images. If I am right about this being a repaired stamp, it seems to have been done by someone who was truly skilled in the art.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 14, 2022 7:25:38 GMT
Many thanks for your post, daniel. Perhaps I should take my own advice to other members and read back in the thread to find the answer in cases like this. I will amend my post accordingly, and thanks again for your response.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 13, 2022 23:36:35 GMT
United States Slogan Cancel on Dominica Sc69I spotted this stamp in the 10p bin at the Charing Cross Market in London a couple of months ago. It is damaged (tears visible on left side), but I liked the U.S. cancel on a British colonial issue from the Caribbean, and the price was low for an interesting item. Comments welcome, of course! Dominica, Sc69, 1½p Deep Brown & Black; Design Seal of the Colony and Portrait of King George V, Issued in 1933 Postmark: U.S. Slogan Cancel: BUY U.S. SAVINGS BONDS (ASK) YOUR POSTMASTER
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 13, 2022 22:09:35 GMT
Thanks for your latest posts, Jim ( jkjblue). You really do have lots of interesting examples of these stamps! Examples H4 & H5I can't add much to your comments, which seem quite accurate to me. I agree that both look like varieties of SG6 on White Paper and with very nice margins. We should never underestimate the importance of having full margins to the value of these stamps. Copies with full margins should command significantly higher prices than those that do not. Stevenson talks about this, too. On the subject of margins, please note that the bottom margin (the hypotenuse of the triangle) is the most difficult one to get fully intact due to the spacing between the stamps on the printed sheets. Example J1Jim, I once again applaud your willingness to use H 2O 2 to remove the effects of sulfuretting. I agree that the treatment was once again effective, and that it is important to take discoloration into account when looking at the color, too. By removing the discoloration, as you have done, it is possible to see the color much closer to its original state. I think there is a little woolly quality to the printing of the stamp, but let's look again at the area you specifically mention between the S and T in POSTAGE. This is not usual, even for a woolly print. It almost looks abraded to me. And if you continue to follow the lettering up to the top, look at the square corner ornament there. Virtually all of the detail is gone. And the effect seems to continue down the other side to the F in FOUR. Then, if we look at the back, we can see that the area on the right, which would be behind the lettering for POSTAGE on the front, seems to be a more opaque white paper, very different to the rest of the stamp. Jim, this may sound crazy, but is there any chance that this margin could be repaired from the back? I can't really tell for sure from the scan, but when you hold it up in front of a strong light source, can you see a difference, such as light and dark areas? To sum up, it looks to me like this stamp has been abraded or chemically treated on the left front lettering and possibly repaired in the same area on the back. As you have the stamp in your possession, I hope you can tell me that I am wrong about this, but that's how it looks in the scan, at least to me.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 13, 2022 9:15:29 GMT
Hi, Vanessa ( rainbowhugz): Thanks for your post. I don’t use the SG online version, so I can’t comment on that. I do, however, use the Scott online version, so I will just mention that briefly. It is basically a reconstruction of the paper version accessed through the Scott website. The info is exactly the same, just displayed in your browser. There is an index you can activate to go right to the country you want, and it is possible to increase and decrease the page size within a designated range. Hope this helps a little. -Chris
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 12, 2022 20:43:50 GMT
All right, Jim ( jkjblue), let's take a look at your "H" examples. Example H1I agree with you and JeffS that the detail in this printing qualifies as a sharp one, for sure. It is a beautiful example showing all the detail in its full glory. I also don't see any evidence of discoloration. The color looks good to me. In looking at this stamp in the composite scan, however, I think I would classify it more as "Blue" than "Deep Blue", meaning SG6a. Just my opinion. There is no doubt that it is a really nice copy of this stamp. Example H2Another sharp print, I agree, although perhaps just the slightest bit less than H1. In looking at the composite scan for color comparison, I wonder if this one could qualify as the elusive Sc4e Bright Blue? It looks brighter to me than the others in the scan. From an SG point of view, I would identify this as another SG6a. Example H3Things are getting more interesting now.... I think that this is an over-inked PB printing that would qualify it as both woolly and Deep Blue, making it an SG6. Jim, it is good that you are thinking about DLR as a possibility in this case, as the woolliness would send you in that direction, but I think that the blue is still consistent with the other PB blues in the same scan. It just doesn't have the indigo quality of the DLR blue, in my opinion. All that said, make no mistake, because this is a very nice copy of this stamp. Overall CommentsJim, I want to compliment and congratulate you on finding so many full 3-margin copies of these stamps. I know from sifting through the eBay and HipStamp listings on a regular basis that these are not the typical ones on offer. In just these few stamps, you also seem to have a very nice selection there of both sharp and woolly prints, as well as progressive shades of the PB blue. Very nice, indeed.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 12, 2022 20:17:03 GMT
First off, a belated comment for Jack ( banknoteguy) on your 1-Penny Brick Red. I forgot to say that the color is about as deep and rich as I think I have seen on one of these Brick Red issues, which is uncommon, in my experience. It seems a very nice find. In addition, I should say that it seems just a little over-inked, which gives it a somewhat woolly-print appearance, and I think that is also a bit less common for the 1d PB printings of these stamps. Personally, I think that this is a rather distinctive copy of this stamp, and I congratulate you for having found it.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 12, 2022 6:42:56 GMT
Very interesting post, Jim ( jimwentzell), thanks for sharing! I don't know much about this material, but let's tag some other members who may be able to comment: PostmasterGS, salentin, cara
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 11, 2022 21:07:21 GMT
It's a good point, Stan ( stainlessb), but again, if you look back through the thread at the previous images, I think that the instance where the R and T are not touching is for the Portuguese colonial issue with the country name as a fill-in-the-blank space, rather than the issue from the mother country, which yours is. Take a look at the post from gstamps, which is for overprinted Ceres from Portugal, rather than the colonial issue. The R and T are touching in his, and they also have the dotted paper. Again, I have no expertise in this area, but I think that the signs point to your example being genuine.
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