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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 28, 2022 10:18:04 GMT
Welcome to TSF, Phil ( pscionka)! I am originally from Cleveland. I grew up mainly in the West Park neighborhood near Lakewood, Rocky River, and Fairview Park. Whereabouts are you, if you don't mind saying? Your collecting areas do indeed sound quite interesting. I have a bit of material from some of the Nigerian colonial entities such as Lagos, and Northern & Southern Nigeria. I am a WW classics collector, but recently I have been spending a lot of time on Cape of Good Hope, primary interest in triangle issues, but I have a reasonable collection of the rectangular issues, too. Enjoy your time with us! -Chris ( Beryllium Guy) US expatriate currently living in England
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 27, 2022 16:11:08 GMT
Peter ( brightonpete): Just a question: if the font size is too small for easy reading, can't you simply adjust your browser setting to make it bigger? That's why I didn't really understand your comment about needing to sit close to the monitor to be able to read the posts.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 27, 2022 16:07:39 GMT
paul1: You got me there, Paul. That was simply a typo, now corrected.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 27, 2022 13:21:24 GMT
Thanks for your post, René ( renden). I think that "within reason" is another way for Admin to say that it will be at his discretion to decide if a choice is appropriate or not.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 27, 2022 12:58:08 GMT
Thanks for your post, daniel . Admin would prefer that members complied with the guidance provided on default font and size, but he will tolerate minor deviations as long as they remain within reason. Personally, I occasionally make changes to font face and size for specific words in a post when I feel it's appropriate, so it's useful to understand this functionality on TSF. When a member asks for help in that regard, I feel honor-bound to give it. That said, I have always chosen to use the system default for the vast majority of the text in my posts.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 27, 2022 7:25:59 GMT
Welcome to TSF, Randall ( randallg)! I just took a quick look through some of your pages. Thanks for the link. I am a big fan of the 1897 QV Jubilee issues, and yours are very nice, indeed. I congratulate you! Steve, our Admin, should be returning from travel sometime today, so hopefully he will find time to update your status and enable you to post in other threads on the Forum. Welcome again and enjoy your time with us. -Chris ( Beryllium Guy) A US expatriate currently living in England
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 26, 2022 21:08:53 GMT
Sorry for my slow response, Chris ( cjoprey ). Today we saw our visitors off, travelled home, and I have still not been feeling my best. I appreciate that Alex ( vikingeck ) has stepped in and replied promptly, and I am happy to say that I agree with all of his opinions. Great stuff, Alex! I would just throw in just a couple of small add-ons: Tentative ID of SG4a: I completely agree with Alex, no blueing here, but the impression of blue ink is probably what led to that original perception. This shows a little bit of sulphuretting, but nowhere near as much as your very first example, so I would ID this one as SG6a Blue on "white" (i.e., not blued) paper. Tentative ID of SG5b: This one I would classify as SG5a Rose rather than SG5b Deep Rose Red. My contact at Gibbons showed me some examples during our meeting, and although there is what he called "a wide band" when it comes to judging some of these colors, which includes the 1d Rose varieties, this one is not as pale as some, but not deep enough in color to qualify as SG5b, at least based on what I saw. This one is a pretty subjective call, though, so you might get away with calling it an SG5b if you really want to. Tentative ID of SG19a: Well, I am very glad indeed that one of these 4d blues turned out to be something other than an SG6 variety. This is your SG4a. One last point: I could see evidence of normal, upright watermarks on all three of these. Thanks for sharing these with us, Chris. It was fun to take a look and see what we could see. Stay stampy, all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 21:37:34 GMT
Nice one, Aaron ( kasvik).... I forgot that you were summering in Sweden. That's a nice backyard you have there.... enjoy!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 21:22:19 GMT
Nice postmark, Torbjørn ( tobben63), thanks for sharing. I am a little late to the party, but I agree completely with Stan ( stainlessb) about the date. 1-4-1929 will always be 4th January. As for the location, I think that New York is by far the most likely, and in fact, if you look on the far right of your stamp, you can see the base and left arm of the "Y". I think there is 90%+ certainty that it is NEW YORK. What I really find interesting is that this oval-style cancel has a date in the middle. I did some online searching, and most of the other oval ones from NEW YORK that I could find showed REG in the middle (short for REGISTERED) or just another letter or blank. Below is an example with REG in the middle, but otherwise, it is very similar in style to yours.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 20:55:52 GMT
Thanks, Alex ( vikingeck) and Chris ( cjoprey) for your kind replies. I have learned much in the past 3 years, but I am still learning, as I found out during my recent visit to SG. More on that intriguing subject in the reasonably near future. Well, Chris, I am glad to see that you have taken the plunge and acquired a few more Cape triangles over the past three years, too. I find them to be a fascinating area. Identifying your latest:My first comment is that we are definitely going to need scans of the backs of the stamps to be able to arrive at solid opinions on catalogue IDs. This is most important for determining blued or not blued paper, which can only be determined by looking the back. Sorry to put you to extra work, but it will pay off in understanding what you actually have. All of that said, here are some initial, tentative opinions just from looking at the fronts: Tentative ID of SG4a: Color-wise, this does look like a PB printing, so possibly SG2, SG4, or SG6 varieties. An SG4 variety would be on paper slightly blued, so no way to know if that is the case without seeing the back. I should warn you that SG6 varieties are by far the most common, so we shouldn't be too surprised if the back doesn't actually show any blueing. Paper stained from blue ink is often mistaken as blueing. It is a mistake that I made in the early going, until noted specialist Richard Debney set me straight. Tentative ID of SG5b: Color-wise, this does look like a Rose Red variety (SG5a or 5b), but it would be best to see the back just to be sure it is as expected and to check the watermark. I have been fooled before by scans of fronts that appear to be a Rose Red shade, and then I see that the back shows blueing, so it has to be a Brick Red shade. Tentative ID of SG19a: If you compare this one to your first example, the colors look the same to me. My initial thinking is that this is another PB printing, not a DLR one, sorry if that is disappointing news. The PB printings of these stamps were roughly 10 times as many as the DLR ones, so we must expect that the vast majority of what we will encounter will be PB printings. But seeing the back will tell the full story, and whether there is any blueing present. I hope this is a good start, and I look forward to seeing scans of the backs as time permits.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 17:55:10 GMT
Welcome to TSF, radim! We are glad that you found us. Our Admin is currently away on travel, but he is expected back on Monday, so hopefully he will be able to adjust your status by then to enable you to post in other threads on the Forum. Many thanks for your patience and understanding. Welcome again, -Chris ( Beryllium Guy)
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 17:46:07 GMT
Two of the 1932 sheets overprinted on the stamps and the sheet margins for 1959. Sponsored by Federated Philatelic Clubs of Southern California. Also, the 15th Annual Sescal Stamp Exhibition Southern California. Held at the Statler-Hilton Hotel, LA. Original stamps shown for comparison. Daniel, I was just looking again at your post, and it hit me that the 1932 Olympic Summer Games were held in LA the same year as the APS Convention. So, I checked the dates, and the Olympics ran from 30th July to 14th August, and then the APS Convention started the day after the Olympics ended, 15th to 20th August, as shown in your stamps. Nothing great in that, I suppose, but I just thought it was interesting to see how the dates woud have fit. Anyway, thanks for your excellent post, as always!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 17:20:05 GMT
Well, Chris ( cjoprey), I hope you don't mind that three years after you started this thread, I am finally able to give a better opinion about your stamp. I agree with opinions from rjan55 and Jon ( blaamand) that this is clearly a Perkins Bacon printing. As the paper is not blued, that means that it must be a variety of SG6. In this area, and thanks to reviewing many contributions from Jim ( jkjblue), I would incline towards SG6 Deep Blue versus SG6a Blue, because just as with many of Jim's examples, yours seems to show some evidence of sulphuretting. In Stevenson's book, he mentions that Deep Blue shades are more prone to sulphuretting, and that seems to be borne out in the stamps we have been discussing in the thread. To be clear, the sulphuretting refers to the darker areas visible on your stamp, particularly behind Hope and below FOUR PENCE, but including the area around the letter U, which I have outlined in red. Some of the background area on the other side of Hope appears darkened, too. You can decide whether to leave the stamp in this condition or to try a quick treatment in dilute hydrogen peroxide to remove some of the darkening. I will leave it to Jim to advise on that, as I have not yet tried it myself. As for the watermark, I think I can see part of the left fluke of the anchor, so it looks to me like it is a normal watermark, not a sideways one. Please see image below. Anyway, I hope this helps, and sorry it took so long for me to make a better reply. By the way, when I took copies of the images, I noted that the file names for this stamp are labelled SG19, which is a common mistaken conclusion to draw for stamps that have been darkened by sulphuretting, giving the impression of the indigo blue color typical of the DLR printings.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 9:09:34 GMT
Last Day in LondonWell, we are down to our last day of this 2-week holiday with family. You may be wondering if I am still on holiday in London, why I am able to be making posts on TSF? The reason is because I have been sick, so staying inside at our rental flat and trying to nurse myself back into a better condition by this afternoon. I am unsure if I just have a cold or something else, and I didn't bring any COVID test kits on the trip. We will take the train tomorrow morning back to Oxford, and our family visitors will head directly to Heathrow Airport, as they have a morning flight. I hope to get in a bit of stamping upon my return. One of the things I will need to do is re-organize my Cape Triangles once again, based on some of the info that I received during my visit to SG. My contact there has been out of the office since the time of our meeting, so I am still awaiting the promised file. Hopefully, a recovery and a bit of stamping for tomorrow.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 8:43:34 GMT
Hi, carabop: To change font face (type) or size, you should be able to see the following menu of choices as shown below when you go to create a post: If you look right below the Subject line, you can see that there are two drop-down menus for font face, which will change the style of the lettering, and for font size. Just click on the small down arrow to the right of each one of those, and you will be able to change these features. If you move further to the right along the menu, you should be able to see buttons for color, bold, italic, underline, strike-through, etc. There are all sorts of options available. If you need further help, please feel free to PM me.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 8:11:57 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread, Terri ( philatelia), as I have already learned something new from it, too. Kim ( khj), I really like the images you chose to illustrate the "rejoined paper" varieties, so I have saved copies of those images on the TSF Image Host site and replaced the ones in your post. That way, we can be sure that these will not disappear on us unexpectedly. Until reading these posts, I had never heard about or seen these stamps printed on rejoined paper.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 24, 2022 15:43:42 GMT
It's an interesting thread, tobben63, thanks for starting it. There have been many good comments so far. Personally, I remove something like this, because it is not actually "unwanted selvedge" or "surplus gutter" (sorry to have to disagree, paul1). It is a fragment of an adjacent, damaged stamp, and to my thinking, it adds nothing in terms of interest or value to keep it there, so I wouldn't. That said, I do agree that one needs to be careful in removing these fragments, as you could end up damaging the stamp in the process. The advice from JeffS and brightonpete seems pretty good to me. But as cjoprey states, it is really a matter of personal preference in the end, and there is really no right or wrong answer.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 23, 2022 14:57:58 GMT
Carmen ( seegod1) & Peter ( brightonpete): If you are interested in a way to have a representative stamp for the Connell issue, you should consider looking for a die or plate proof rather than the actual stamp. I saw one on offer sometime in the past year or so at around $100-150, if memory serves me correctly. It would be a nice way to include one in your collection without having to spend thousands.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 23, 2022 9:11:23 GMT
Still in London SG Visit UpdateHello again, all: We have a slightly later start than usual today, so I actually have a few minutes to boot up the laptop and log into the Forum. Glad to see all of the activity these days.... We have been having a whirlwind tour of London, showing our family visitors lots of the great sights.... the Victoria & Albert Museum, Natural History Museum, Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, Imperial War Museum, and more. Today, we are off to the British Museum to see some of the antiquities like the Rosetta Stone and Elgin Marbles. I can't go into detail right now, but I did have a very productive visit at SG. I have made a good contact there, who is well connected and very knowledgeable about where to go for good resources for my Cape Triangles research. He will be providing me with a file complete with accurately scanned images that I will be able to use for my article. Exciting stuff! That's about it for now. My only other stamp activities between now and Sunday will be postbox spotting and visiting TSF. Stay stampy, all!
P.S. Peter ( brightonpete), I also really enjoy your posts, but I will say that I do like the new font a bit better than the old one, so thanks for that.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 21, 2022 14:21:25 GMT
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 19, 2022 11:04:55 GMT
A Week in LondonGreetings, all: We are on a train headed into the city, where we will spend the next week with our visiting family. We will be seeing mainly tourist sights, but I have one important stamp activity planned. For those who didn’t see my post in the COGH thread, I have an appointment at Stanley Gibbons on Wednesday afternoon to discuss the catalogue listings for Cape triangles, particularly the blue color varieties of SG19, which are the 4-pence De La Rue printings. I am hoping that this meeting at SG will help me with the writing of my article in progress. I am trying not to build it up too much in my mind, but I am really looking forward to it. It could be just the breakthrough I have been looking for. Stay stampy, all!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 18, 2022 16:09:21 GMT
Welcome to TSF, air123! I hope you will enjoy your time with us. Looking forward to seeing some posts of your material. -Chris ( Beryllium Guy)
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 17, 2022 18:46:11 GMT
I agree completely, Jon ( blaamand). With custom-designed pages, you can always include whatever you want. As I am using the Hagner stock pages, I have felt free to include more varieties whenever I wanted to. I recently included more varieties in my Cape triangles, but I haven’t posted them yet. I will post them sometime soon, but probably after the Gibbons meeting, as I want to have the benefit of that knowledge when I do. But to your point, Jon…. All varieties collectible? Regardless of whether they are listed in the catalogue? Absolutely.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 17, 2022 15:40:22 GMT
Hi Jon ( blaamand), great to hear from you…. It’s never too late to jump in, so I am glad you did. I understand your point about the two rather different-looking stamps both identified as SG19, but for the moment, it is correct as far as I know. I will show these stamps to the SG specialist and get his opinion. But the truth is that there are many more shades of blue for the 4d triangles than there are varieties listed in the catalogue, so if we want to use a catalogue number, then we are forced to choose the closest one. That said, I would certainly consider some of these examples as potentially worthy of receiving their own catalogue listings, so perhaps my discussion at SG will lead to my suggesting to them to consider expanding the listings to include more shades. The other challenge is that there are typically sharp, semi-sharp, and woolly printings of many shades, and the catalogues don’t distinguish those at all. It’s both fun and maddening at the same time!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 16, 2022 22:32:05 GMT
Cape of Good Hope Triangles 4-Pence De La Rue Printings Color Varieties Steel Blue and Slate Blue ShadesApologies to all interested parties on this subject. I promised to prepare a post, which I started to do, but it seems that there has been an interesting development on this front today, so I wanted to share that here and to ask for your continued patience. Those who read Stevenson on Cape Triangles may be familiar with what he wrote about these color shades: When I asked Richard Debney about these color shades, he told me that the only way to be able to legitimately claim to own one was to have the stamp expertized and certified by a reputable source such as the Royal Philatelic Society in London. He also said to refer to the color photos in the 1982 Maxwell Joseph Collection auction catalogue as references. That was the extent of his advice. I got to thinking about this situation, and it occurred to me that Stanley Gibbons is the likely source of these color shades in the first place, so why not ask them to explain it to me? So, I phoned them today, and I spoke to one of their specialists in the British Commonwealth Dept. I explained what I was looking for, and my contact has promised to prepare some examples from the SG reference collection to show me, and to help me understand the criteria for distinguishing these shades. My appointment is at the SG office in London next week, and I am already looking forward to it. I am cautiously optimistic that I may finally be able to get some solid info on this question that can help all collectors interested in Cape triangles. Watch this space....
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 16, 2022 8:17:48 GMT
Torbjørn ( tobben63), I just wanted to add that the Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue shows values for Cape triangles in pairs and blocks of four, in addition to singles. Please see image below from the 2021 edition. In this case, your 1-Penny SG5b would be Sc3 and the 4-Pence SG6a would be Sc4. The combined CV is nearly $1,000 (USD), which is great considering that you paid around €50 for the lot!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 15, 2022 22:04:14 GMT
Thanks for your post, Torbjørn ( tobben63). Since no one else is replying, I will offer the first opinion. I am re-posting your image, since this response is in a new page in this thread. My opinions: Left: COGH, SG5b 1-Penny Deep Rose Red on "White" Paper pair: semi-sharp printing with light cancel. Sorry to see that it looks like there is a small tear in the bottom stamp in this image, just between the O and S in POSTAGE. I think that this color qualifies as Deep Rose Red, which is the less common between SG5a Rose (or Pale Rose) and SG5b. I also note from looking at the back that this pair has a straight-line watermark along one side, indicating that it was from the sheet margin. Right: COGH, SG6a 4-Pence Blue on "White" Paper pair: sharp printing with nice detail evident, cancelled with small triangular obliterator. It looks like there may either be a paper adhesion or abrasion on the bottom stamp, just to the left of the P in POSTAGE. Can you tell what's going on there? I think that the color is not dark enough to be SG6 Deep Blue, but that is rather subjective, so difficult to state definitively. OK, those are my observations, Torbjørn. Overall, I think you got quite a good deal on two Cape triangle pairs, and I congratulate you! Other opinions and observations are welcome, of course.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 14, 2022 21:35:30 GMT
Torbjørn ( tobben63), many thanks for your follow-up post. These are two very nice pairs of stamps! Question: did the auction house provide you with catalogue numbers for these stamps? Or would you like opinions on the identifications?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 13, 2022 8:10:26 GMT
Welcome to TSF, Matthias ( flohmarkthoffi)! I hope you will find the information you seek and that you will enjoy your time with us. -Chris ( Beryllium Guy)
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 13, 2022 8:05:16 GMT
Stampy Prep Time at Home Two Weeks Playing the TouristHello again, everyone: I had some pretty dedicated stamp time recently, but it was mainly leading up to getting ready for long-awaited family visitors, who arrived yesterday afternoon. The stamp activities included: - Gave away the carton full of unwanted stamps, covers, and old albums by handing it off to a local collector. I had originally planned to take the box to the local auction and try to get a little money for it, but I ran out of time and needed just to get rid of it and clear the space. I will be starting a new box soon!
- Cleared my stamp desk to set up the hobby room as a guest bedroom, similar to what Alex (vikingeck) did for my wife and me when we visited him last summer. It is the first time we have had overnight guests since we moved here nearly 3 years ago.
- Received 3rd and final packet from Terri (philatelia)--many thanks for that, and prepared return packet. Hope to stop by the PO today.
- Based on feedback from Vince (stanley64) some months ago, I decided to re-organize my COGH holdings, starting with the triangles. I have now given them more space, spreading them out a bit, and including more color shade varieties. I also included a couple of recent acquisitions from my Corbitts stamp shop visit in Newcastle.
- Integrated stamps received from Patti (pattib)--thanks again for your gift--into my COGH collection. I will finish re-arranging the rest of the COGH collection once I get my stamp desk back after the visit is over.
- Scanned stamps and covers for posting and hopefully for illustrating a future TSF Newsletter article.
Today we are travelling to the town of Bath with our guests to play tourist for a couple of days. It is good to see the family, especially considering that their visit was originally planned for the summer of 2020. We are pleased to be able to play host at least a little bit before we leave later this year. Well, that's about it for now. I will try to check in here periodically and post when I can. Stay stampy, all!
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